Another fantastic program which was initiated by the Varsity Club. Have you noticed few programs around us have one, and the few that do, are just imitating ours.
One thing. I think we started out ok, but after a few years, say 5 or so, they should have cut down the number of new nominees, say to only 2 persons, and one team. We're sort of running out of true hall of famers so to speak.
It is very tough to be correct in every instance on selecting members of the Hall of Fame. I served on that selection committee for about three years.
The above is the Last two sentences from Bob Terrells History lesson, I do however agree with every single point made about each individual. Maybe the Greatest group ever to pass through the Hall of Fame here in Corbin, no question.
Unfortunatley the same achievements made today are not what they were with many of the first HOF Clases, that was bound to happen. This makes it even more important to clarify the Criteria used when making the final selections and make sure the Varsity Club members who pay dues, support the program along with the General Public. When people know the pecking order and food chain less questions emerge after the fact.
Of all people Mr Terrell should know that being a Top Company Executive for 40 Years. Many of us helped start the Varsity Club back in 1981 and it came to Fruition in the summer of 1982. Our Jobs were actually fairly easy as we had former NFL, NBA and folks that had achieved National Honors to pick from.
Everyone did know however that the day would come that we would have to dot the I's and cross the T's as the Bird Brothers, Selvy's and other Superstars were already in. Many times it was discussed to make sure the Committee did not stray into SUBJECTIVE waters and their decisions perplexing to the Public.
At this point written Criteria to follow was proposed but no one followed up unfortunatlety, it's not a Bad thing to ask questions, the Varsity Club Deeds have not been diminished what so ever, it's very fair to ask what Criteria is being used and who the deciding Committee is in 2007?
No question Sams, Bowling & Gregory give their time, but it's also fair to the guys who sweated on the Football Field, Basketball Court, Baseball Field, Tennis, Track Ect to have a fair shot and let the Criteria decide who gets in, not Subjective opinions!
Sorry Guys, this debate is not about the Good deeds of the Varsity Club, everyone is on the same page. The debate here is the CRITERIA to make decisions that your dodgeing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some thoughts copied from the "Varsity Club Thread"
The HOF did too much, too fast. Now, we're "finding" folks and teams.
I read the new nominees list last week, and am waiting to see the biography of why they were inducted. A couple are real questionable in my opinion, but I'll wait and see.
In the last few years, a basic good team record was good enough for the team entries, and just showing up for practice got the indivividual in.
For the soccer poster. Just playing or coaching is not worthy of a HOF spot. Sorry, it just isn't.
Most teams, people aren't put in because they play or on team. Usually they have done something outstanding in the sport. Don't you think being names all state, all district etc. merits you something, at least a look of making Hall of Fame. If you try to compare kids today to selvy etc you will never get another inductee. They are a rare breed.
Making All-State in any sport is great, but, not worth of a Hall of Fame spot. The criteria has to be set high, or you end up with everyone in it.
State Champions in anything, is a good start. I would say yes, let them in by all means. But, 2nd teamers, honorable mentions, cooked hot dogs, sold more tickets, parked cars, just don't qualify.
No team deserves being in if they didn't win it all, case closed. If you didn't win it all, you didn't win it.
Should personal accomplishments be considered in the criteria, only if the other school oriented accomplishments can live up to the Hall of Fame standards, in my opinion.
There are only a Handfull of State champs. Maybe 5-6 total? That's it. 1st team All-State, same thing, you can count them all on both hands and their already in. This is why Criteria has to be set if we continue to nominate and induct.
1st team all state trumps--2nd team all state--Honorable mention all state trumps, All-SEKC.
All-SEKC Trumps All District. Never Starting, not playing in any of the games but a few should not get anyone in. There must be a Logical Pecking Order & Criteria established.
The Last Poster syas no Team deserves to be in if they did win it all? Unfortunatley at the rate of State Championships over the last 80 Years you would have had a handfull? The Varsity Club has to Induct somebody, if so, then a pecking Order has to be established.
The last Poster mentioned the word Standards, what are those standards? That's our point here. When these standards are established it will take the guess work & opinions out of the equation.
There have been twelve Redhound basketball teams that have won Regional Championships. As you know, basketball tournaments have all teams regardless of size competing in the same tournament. Thus far the only basketball teams that have been inducted are some of those that went to the sweet sixteen.
In recent years football is made up of four classes of teams based on school size. In the early years Corbin's football teams competed for honors against all high schools regardless of size. There were not any playoffs to decide the championship.
In my opinion, the teams that have been inducted have been deserving of this honor.
Making all state in basketball, baseball, volley ball, soccer, track, or golf is tougher because there is only one all state tam selected among all the high schools.
In football players can make all state in the class level they are playing. There is one consensus all state team among all football teams and that is very difficult to make.
Some nominations of players list accomplishments such as All State or other honors and the person they nominated did not actually achieve that mark. Perhaps a nomination should require documentation that authenticates their honors.
And it is important that we consider those outstanding athletes in all our high school sports and not just a couple. We have had some outstanding athletes in the Redhound program since high school sports were started in Corbin.
Some nominations of players list accomplishments such as All State or other honors and the person they nominated did not actually achieve that mark.(According to who?)
Again we go back to the Criteria Points made, if your going to require proof and documentation then it should be listed in the Criteria, is that Herald leader 1st Team? Is it Scholarship proof, is it SEKC proof.
The New Criteria should ask for this information to be provided, on the other side of the Coin Who says current Qualifications for anyone in the Past is True or Not? Very Subjective with Many of the Class that is already in.
My Guess is had there been Criteria in place to prove there achievments over 50% of the current Hall Of Famers would not have got in.
Good Criteria is needed in the future, if the criteria includes Proof then so be it, but remember, as soon as that criteria is created folks are going to Look back on who is already is in and apply it accordingly, just part of the process.
The Club should create, post, solicit ideas for new criteria and have it ready for next year. I think the Proof part will be interesting as I wonder how several got away with this that are already in, who currently verifies the proof under the current system? is it their opinion or based on actual research, and what was researched?
These are Questions that could answered up front with new rules and a pecking order of what achievemnets trump others.
Here is one to think about, does region Winners in Football trump a basketball team that makes it to the sweet sixteen?????
To my knowledge, anyone can join the varsity club, just pay your dues. Is that correct. If that was the case, then little Johnny's or Judy's mom or dad could get enough folks to join for a couple years, show up at the meetings, and nominate their kids to whatever they want.
You start shouting "members only", and you'll end up with nothing. Your support comes from the community as a whole.
Remember, the school board is an elected board, and if enough ticked off people in town, tax paying people that is, go to them and say "this varsity club is a bunch of snobs and we don't trust them so we don't want them using our school facilities" to elected board members, and the board doesn't heed their wishes, then you'll have an all new board next election.
I heard someone mention the 79 Football Team. according to the ole timers this may have been one of the best groups ever. I was at a function recently and ask a friend who several folks were, he replied they had all played on the that 79 Team.
I was introduced to these guys and they were all very nice people. As I walked away I told the fellow with me that I would have sure hated to meet these guys on the football field, no question these particular guys were possibly as good as they were Nasty & fearsome.
Those are the type of players we hope to see in the future, maybe there are some still out there. Would have liked to seen those guys in action.
Just a question - not "bashing" anyone or anything. What are some good criteria items besides the obvious All-State, NBA, NFL, etc.? Can it extend from accomplishments with a particular sport while at Corbin High School. For an example, someone got picked out of a set number of players nationally to play for a U.S. team, such as olympic type material.
Just a question - not "bashing" anyone or anything. What are some good criteria items besides the obvious All-State, NBA, NFL, etc.? Can it extend from accomplishments with a particular sport while at Corbin High School. For an example, someone got picked out of a set number of players nationally to play for a U.S. team, such as olympic type material.
It would greatly depend on type of team nominated for. Now days they are nominated for such teams just to get kids to travel abroad and play. I think several of corbin girls basketball players have been on these trips. The criteria for those specific teams will have to be evaluated. Just to say you got ask or went to play on olympic type team doesn't mean a lot.
Just a question - not "bashing" anyone or anything. What are some good criteria items besides the obvious All-State, NBA, NFL, etc.? Can it extend from accomplishments with a particular sport while at Corbin High School. For an example, someone got picked out of a set number of players nationally to play for a U.S. team, such as olympic type material.
It would greatly depend on type of team nominated for. Now days they are nominated for such teams just to get kids to travel abroad and play. I think several of corbin girls basketball players have been on these trips. The criteria for those specific teams will have to be evaluated. Just to say you got ask or went to play on olympic type team doesn't mean a lot.
what if they were chosen out of 60 players nationally to represent the U.S. overseas in competition and used this opportunity to be picked up by foreign or domestic teams for a professional spot on a team. It is similar to traveling abroad, but only a certain number of players sent invitations for the team.
Just a question - not "bashing" anyone or anything. What are some good criteria items besides the obvious All-State, NBA, NFL, etc.? Can it extend from accomplishments with a particular sport while at Corbin High School. For an example, someone got picked out of a set number of players nationally to play for a U.S. team, such as olympic type material.
It would greatly depend on type of team nominated for. Now days they are nominated for such teams just to get kids to travel abroad and play. I think several of corbin girls basketball players have been on these trips. The criteria for those specific teams will have to be evaluated. Just to say you got ask or went to play on olympic type team doesn't mean a lot.
what if they were chosen out of 60 players nationally to represent the U.S. overseas in competition and used this opportunity to be picked up by foreign or domestic teams for a professional spot on a team. It is similar to traveling abroad, but only a certain number of players sent invitations for the team.
The criteria will have to be looked at. Just to say you have been pick etc doesn't cut it. The athletes that travel abroad is usually some gimmick to get kids to travel overseas with a travel group or agency. Send it in we will evaluate all applications and are saved for our master list. But to say just because you played on olympic team or u. s. team doesn't really say a lot until you see the criteria for selection etc.
Also a lot of AAU teams are just selected by parents etc. The criteria also must be with how they were selected. Most of the time on these type teams they are coached and selected by a parent in the area.
Just a question - not "bashing" anyone or anything. What are some good criteria items besides the obvious All-State, NBA, NFL, etc.? Can it extend from accomplishments with a particular sport while at Corbin High School. For an example, someone got picked out of a set number of players nationally to play for a U.S. team, such as olympic type material.
It would greatly depend on type of team nominated for. Now days they are nominated for such teams just to get kids to travel abroad and play. I think several of corbin girls basketball players have been on these trips. The criteria for those specific teams will have to be evaluated. Just to say you got ask or went to play on olympic type team doesn't mean a lot.
what if they were chosen out of 60 players nationally to represent the U.S. overseas in competition and used this opportunity to be picked up by foreign or domestic teams for a professional spot on a team. It is similar to traveling abroad, but only a certain number of players sent invitations for the team.
The criteria will have to be looked at. Just to say you have been pick etc doesn't cut it. The athletes that travel abroad is usually some gimmick to get kids to travel overseas with a travel group or agency. Send it in we will evaluate all applications and are saved for our master list. But to say just because you played on olympic team or u. s. team doesn't really say a lot until you see the criteria for selection etc.
Also a lot of AAU teams are just selected by parents etc. The criteria also must be with how they were selected. Most of the time on these type teams they are coached and selected by a parent in the area.
The criteria would have to be reviewed just like any other nomination. I was just trying to get some insight as to what criteria was needed for a ligitimate nomination.
What a Great game and super win tonight, hounds looked great!!!!!!!
That 79 Team was also surprising, those guys looked like they could still play!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow! Was it just me or were those guys really that Big???????????????????? The entire game & HOF show was ran well as it was my first time seeing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm ashamed to say I am not as active as I should be in RVC. I do hate to see some of the folks that have been voted to be inducted. Are past inductees who is voting? I think they should have at least a drug test before putting some of these folks in that are supposed to be roll models for our current and future Redhounds...... There is no other organization in the state that does what the RVC does for the athletes of Corbin High.
You can't really help what one or two on a team do, but when folks are inducted as individuals the committee should consider the type of roll model at the time of induction. Things can happen after the fact I guess, but information has been in the papers in the past about arrests concerning a track/football inductee and a recent tennis inductee.
MMMMMM? Mr. Redhound18 might want to take a look back over all the Folks who have been Inducted, many have a checkered past after High School including coaches, students or others who may have committed very serious infractions.
You start trying to hold everyone up as Role Models you may be on the wrong track, this is for what you did in High School and your contribution during that 4 Years as a Student, Coach or Supporter Of the Program, if your going to get into Law infractions committed after High School in far away places about 50% of everyone inducted would not be there.
Remember the good things these people did and the way they helped build the program during their stay at Corbin High, it's no more and no less.
My thoughts__ Don't magnify any of these folks as if we look real hard we could find something in evryone's past.
