It's hard to believe the Young kids in Corbin's Football Feeder system has to RENT a Field from Lynn Camp to play its games. No room at the Inn for our future Redhounds?
We have two full size Football Fields available and we can not fit these kids in? I,m sure this is great Marketing of our Football program, no wonder Knox Central is the new powehouse in this area!!
Can't blame the Youth Football Management here as they have to find somewhere to Play and give the Kids a chance.
Who knows we may end up using South Laurels fields pretty soon, they may also throw in a new field and new schools, all we have to do is ask, I'm sure they would like to take the last few players we may have.
Priorities need to change - schools are for education and for preparing our kids for the real world. Football can be important, but no more important than soccer, basketball, baseball, debate, shop or other school activity. Money needs to be used fairly for ALL student activities. Also, football players can't be treated any differently than any other child who is there for the school's real purpose: an education.
This unrealistic world some parents put their kids through ends up hurting the kids down the road when they get out in the real world when they aren't treated any more spoecial than anyone else, and mommy and daddy aren't there to fight their battles with their bosses like they try to do with coaches and teachers. The schools can be as guiltry as the parents regarding this also.
Prepare your kids to be doctors, CPA's, engineers and other realistic professions that they also show some passion for while growing up, as opposed to making your child feel they have to unrealisticly be a college or pro athlete to "make it". You are doing them an injustice if you don't prepare them for reality.
Maybe a Neutral Master Scheduler that Reports directly with the Atletic Director, Princiapl, School Boards should be deployed to fairly handle the Practice Schedules and Co-ordinate the different sports with what fields we have available.
Letting the Football Coach's control the fields is like the fox guarding the Hen House, how about a Neutral Party in charge here since the Children can not share properly.
Maybe a Neutral Master Scheduler that Reports directly with the Atletic Director, Princiapl, School Boards should be deployed to fairly handle the Practice Schedules and Co-ordinate the different sports with what fields we have available.
Letting the Football Coach's control the fields is like the fox guarding the Hen House, how about a Neutral Party in charge here since the Children can not share properly.
It sounds really simple to fix but its not.There are countless groups that need to use Campbell Field.In addition to the high school football team, there are boys & girls soccer games, both varsity & junior varsity.How many football teams are there besides high school varsity?Freshman, junior high others I dont really know but the point is theres significant demand for the field.Now, we havent even started to discuss turf management!. I do feel the additional field at the new elementary school will provide significant relief.
Maybe a Neutral Master Scheduler that Reports directly with the Atletic Director, Princiapl, School Boards should be deployed to fairly handle the Practice Schedules and Co-ordinate the different sports with what fields we have available.
Letting the Football Coach's control the fields is like the fox guarding the Hen House, how about a Neutral Party in charge here since the Children can not share properly.
It sounds really simple to fix but its not.There are countless groups that need to use Campbell Field.In addition to the high school football team, there are boys & girls soccer games, both varsity & junior varsity.How many football teams are there besides high school varsity?Freshman, junior high others I dont really know but the point is theres significant demand for the field.Now, we havent even started to discuss turf management!. I do feel the additional field at the new elementary school will provide significant relief.
Put in astro turf or some artificial turf. With all the money in Corbin I am sure a football booster would donate it.
maybe soccer is the one that monopolizes the fields, not football. Soccer should learn to share. It could start with some of the money it earned at NIBROC. Football shares its gate with you, nowyou should share.
maybe soccer is the one that monopolizes the fields, not football. Soccer should learn to share. It could start with some of the money it earned at NIBROC. Football shares its gate with you, nowyou should share.
Okay, we'll play on Friday nights & let football play during the week if that's your preference!
The soccer teams play during the week & normally double-headers allowing the field to be used by others. It's simply sharing. And speaking of sharing, football shares its gate with soccer?!! The reason the "minor" sports have fundraisers is because our respective gates will not fund the program. Football and basketball both have significantly greater attendance and thus less (or no) need for fundraising. But I am willing to make a friendly wager that not one of the sports is into "revenue sharing!"
Maybe a Neutral Master Scheduler that Reports directly with the Atletic Director, Princiapl, School Boards should be deployed to fairly handle the Practice Schedules and Co-ordinate the different sports with what fields we have available.
Letting the Football Coach's control the fields is like the fox guarding the Hen House, how about a Neutral Party in charge here since the Children can not share properly.
It sounds really simple to fix but its not.There are countless groups that need to use Campbell Field.In addition to the high school football team, there are boys & girls soccer games, both varsity & junior varsity.How many football teams are there besides high school varsity?Freshman, junior high others I dont really know but the point is theres significant demand for the field.Now, we havent even started to discuss turf management!. I do feel the additional field at the new elementary school will provide significant relief.
Terry, I agree that a very nice high school soccer field at the new elementary school would be great. And the School System should spend as much money in making that a very good field as they do with our other sports. The problem we have in having more kids playing sports is actually a good one if we just come together and have a winning plan. We have some good people involved in this. The soccer and football, players, as well as players, parents and supporters of all our sports do a lot of good work in raising funds for High School sports.
In addition, we need to be sure we still keep youth soccer fields at the Civic Center. There is room in another part of that land that can have a youth football field.
There have been some good ideas and suggestions on this important subject. It will also take a willingness to compromise and do the best possible for each sport.
Terry, your scheduling remark just dropped your integrity and credibility here a few points. Even if you're making a joke, it won't be taken that way. There is enough friction between the sports now, and you just added to it. You may have some hard core football supporters giving you a call monday.
Yes, the gate money is pooled, and distributed as it is needed. Sure a lot goes to football and basketball, but, they bring in the most gate money, but they also incur some of the biggest expenses. To keep the programs going top notch, they have to be maintained. Remember there's volleyball, softball, baseball, girls basketball and all their jv teams, boys jv teams, etc, etc. Soccer is just on the list too. They all benefit from the boys football and basketball programs gate.
Each year the Redhound Varsity Club makes a gift to the High School and the school allocates a share to each of the girls and boys sports.
Each of our sports teams, their families and supporters provide some support. The soccer families have done a great deal to support their program. I would not believe the soccer team would be required to share the money they make at NIBROC with any other sport. They are the ones that worked each day in the hot weather.
Which sport benefited the most from the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse? Football. That was over a million dollar project. Before I agreed to take on the responsibility for raising that money I had three conditions of being involved.
First, it had to be of value to boys and girls of all sports. Many of the sports do use it but the weight and conditioning section, the locker room, the coaches offices, the meeting room, the equipment room, and the trainer's room is more usable for football than any other sport.
Second, it had to have a positive influence on academics. By building the Ossie Burch the weight and conditioning equipment could be moved out of the main school building and the media center, library, presentation room, coffee shop, and computer room could be added in that space.
Third, students who did not play athletics could use the weight and conditioning room.
But even with those conditions being met, there is no question that the football team gets the most benefit from that facility. The indoor practice area has been used by many of our teams but it is great for our football team as well.
The key is not to get in a hassle but work together in a win-win-win-win way and try to do what is best for all. People like Terry Pugh and others deserve our thanks for the effort they are making to help our kids.
First & Third, students who did not play athletics could use the weight and conditioning room. , it had to be of value to boys and girls of all sports
Bob Got an issue here, your first point has not ben met & the third point is at best ambigous as to the Value to other sports other than football. (because they do not have access)
Myself and my own family contributed to this, your are very correct as this was a Million Dollar project and not Intended for the football coach's to Homestead. This Facility was intended for all Students, I can say with no doubt the other sports combined rarely if ever even get a key to the front door much less use it.
This along with the Practice Field sitting Idle, even tonight, is tough to watch. I would again say where is the Principal & School Board here in makking sure these facilities are properly shared, again, a neutral 3rd party should handle the scheduling even if it is an outside consulting company deployed full time.
The Imbalance of useage is out of hand, hard and set times for all sports to have access should be made, time to improve & change. It's also amusing to see the gate arguments unfolding, sure the Football Gate is good, along with Basketball but this is only a Fraction of the Money needed to maintain all of the sports within the school system.
95% of the Money spent is Budgeted Money the schools pick up in Taxed Revenue from the City school Districts and assessed property tax's we all pay. The Gate's would not even pay for the Football Coach's Salary once you Burden it up with administrative cost & insurance.
You also must remember these gates have to give a portion to the opposing teams. We would have to sell about 300,000 more Hot Dogs to cover the real price.
Tax Payers are footing the Bill here, that means all sports should be given equal time on all practice fields including the field house. Time for a neutral 3rd party to take over!!!
Nothing but Silence from the Superintendent & The School Boards on this???? maybe we are paying these guys to much, come on Ed McNeal, for 100K per year we should hear something from you on this?
Terry, your scheduling remark just dropped your integrity and credibility here a few points. Even if you're making a joke, it won't be taken that way. There is enough friction between the sports now, and you just added to it. You may have some hard core football supporters giving you a call monday.
Yes, the gate money is pooled, and distributed as it is needed. Sure a lot goes to football and basketball, but, they bring in the most gate money, but they also incur some of the biggest expenses. To keep the programs going top notch, they have to be maintained. Remember there's volleyball, softball, baseball, girls basketball and all their jv teams, boys jv teams, etc, etc. Soccer is just on the list too. They all benefit from the boys football and basketball programs gate.
Terry, your scheduling remark just dropped your integrity and credibility here a few points. Let me assure you that my integrity and credibility have nothing to do with posts on this or any other message board, especially to an anonymous poster. Just like football, baseball, band, and all the other sports / activity boosters, I work to provide what is needed to our program. If my child wanted to be on the shuffleboard team then I would work for that. If in your eyes that drops my integrity & credibility then it is safe to assume you and I have a different set of values. I am just simply shocked by the integrity comment...really, I am.
Even if you're making a joke, it won't be taken that way.
Well my intentions were certainly to be "light-hearted" about the matter. I felt clearly that was obvious even before I added the emotiocon of laughter. I am curious about the "friction between the sports" comment... why is that? Golf is a Fall sport so is their friction with the golf team as well? I am just asking.
Yes, the gate money is pooled, and distributed as it is needed. I will confess to not knowing 100% regarding this. I can tell you the only assistance the high school team gets from the school is transportation. Granted, we very much appreciate that. The Varsity Club provides assistance as it can when the coaches make a request. I do know the Varsity Club provided a sizable donation toward the purchase of our goals.
Terry, thanks for taking the time to reply and signing your name - it shows some class and guts. I knew tou were joking. You know as well as most of us that you can't please everyone, but you've given a reply and your honest opinion, and thats a good start. Too many people have the "we don't need to change anything" attitude, and it is holding our community back. We as a community are capable of so much more.
Terry, thanks for taking the time to reply and signing your name - it shows some class and guts. I knew tou were joking. You know as well as most of us that you can't please everyone, but you've given a reply and your honest opinion, and thats a good start. Too many people have the "we don't need to change anything" attitude, and it is holding our community back. We as a community are capable of so much more.
Thank you.
I guess the bothersome thing to me now is the fact the City, Tourism, Tri Co Sports Authority and TCYSoccer are working together and are embarking on some exciting ideas for the Civic Center Property yet some uninformed or mis-informed folks try to convince us the sky is falling. Well, the sky is not falling and I actually feel the sky is pretty sunny & blue!
I'm jealous of the Sports Authority as they have a group of folks that are supporting them with donations and promises of in-kind gifts for the football portion of their program. It points out what can happen when folks work together. This statement is intended to be a compliment to Tim Barnes, Kelly Farris and all related to their organization. Unfortunately, we have a few "soreheads" on both sides of soccer and football that seemingly would prefer a good debate.
Here's hoping that soon everyone will see the light so to speak and get behind all of our area children.
Keep in mind that every parent ( or grandparent) with a child playing a sport does not keep up with all the other sports issues, they don't have time. They maintain their focus on their childs sport at the time. There's just not enough time in the day.
Your soccer issues, while the main topic of conversation in the soccer circle, doesn't always make it over to the other sports. So, while we hear a little, that's about all we hear. And by the time it gets past two or three people, the story is way out of line.
This tri county sports authority, when i first heard about it, i thought was a store, selling sporting equipment. It was some time before I heard any more. I still don't know the whole purpose of it, other than what was said in the paper. Just who are they and what is their purpose?
And please keep in mind the football supporters are as passionate as you are in supporting and promoting their sport. They're just on that side, not against you, they're just watching out for their own interests.
It's great you have all these kids participating, and the clown on here that keeps touting about numbers of kids in each sport and the football coach's and such, is just fueling the fire, not putting it out. He wants drama and controversey, not solutions. He always asks for suggestions and "Criteria", but never gives them himself.
And the main problem I feel, is the newspapers, both of them, only report on this issue occassionally, and then it is so paraphrased that no one knows anything about the problem, all of the problem, and any solutions being offered. They sit in a meeting and take notes and print a few lines. This is one thing that needs an in depth full accounting of the problems, issues, and probable solutions.
He always asks for suggestions and "Criteria", but never gives them himself.
The Criteria Points came from the Hall Of fame Thread, clever trying run different points togehter. Once again there is nothing wrong with asking Bowling & Sams to Improve a System that is now causing some folks to ask a few questions.
Bowling is on this site signing his name and is doing the talking, anyone should be able to ask an entity for rules & Stnadards they set for anything. This applies to all sports and especially Presidents, Vice Presidents, Chairman or any Committe, especially the school.
We all have give suggestions as we have on the Nibroc Suggestions thread which is more than I have seen from Estep or Carpenter.
Back to this thread, Mr Pugh has done a great job here, along with a few others single handedly helped build and fund our Soccer Program with Zero help from the Recreation Director, Kudos to Mr. Pugh for a SUPER effort.
Shame on you sir for ducking the Criteria Question on the other thread so you can continue to operate behind closed doors.
FYI the soccer teams DO NOT get any money from school board other than they pay our coaches. That is it nothing else, nothing. WHO ever keeps saying the other sports benefit from football gates is wrong. Get your facts straight before you post. do some investigating before you know it all.
First & Third, students who did not play athletics could use the weight and conditioning room. , it had to be of value to boys and girls of all sports
Bob Got an issue here, your first point has not ben met & the third point is at best ambigous as to the Value to other sports other than football. (because they do not have access)
Myself and my own family contributed to this, your are very correct as this was a Million Dollar project and not Intended for the football coach's to Homestead. This Facility was intended for all Students, I can say with no doubt the other sports combined rarely if ever even get a key to the front door much less use it.
This along with the Practice Field sitting Idle, even tonight, is tough to watch. I would again say where is the Principal & School Board here in makking sure these facilities are properly shared, again, a neutral 3rd party should handle the scheduling even if it is an outside consulting company deployed full time.
The Imbalance of useage is out of hand, hard and set times for all sports to have access should be made, time to improve & change. It's also amusing to see the gate arguments unfolding, sure the Football Gate is good, along with Basketball but this is only a Fraction of the Money needed to maintain all of the sports within the school system.
95% of the Money spent is Budgeted Money the schools pick up in Taxed Revenue from the City school Districts and assessed property tax's we all pay. The Gate's would not even pay for the Football Coach's Salary once you Burden it up with administrative cost & insurance.
You also must remember these gates have to give a portion to the opposing teams. We would have to sell about 300,000 more Hot Dogs to cover the real price.
Tax Payers are footing the Bill here, that means all sports should be given equal time on all practice fields including the field house. Time for a neutral 3rd party to take over!!!
Nothing but Silence from the Superintendent & The School Boards on this???? maybe we are paying these guys to much, come on Ed McNeal, for 100K per year we should hear something from you on this?
You have some good points but may I add this comment. The Ossie Burch Fieldhouse has been a benefit to girls. There is a girl's dressing room and showers. Some girls use the weight and conditioning equipment, and some girls have practiced in the inside practice area. The boys basketball team also uses the weight and conditioning equipment as well as the baseball team. The baseball team and girl's softball team also have hitting nets in the Fieldhouse and I have seen the baseball team practicing in there during the winter.
One of my grandsons played soccer, and he was in a PE class in which all the students used the weight and conditioning equipment.
I agree that the facility is used much more by the football team and coaches but it has been of value to others.
Mr. Terrell is correct. My daughter plays for the Lady Redhounds, and they use this field house for lifting weights and conditioning and such. Also, there are other groups that use it.
She also runs track, and they use it all the time if it is extremely cold or raining. Otherwise they are outside. My neice plays softball, and they use it when they need to.
Whoever the person is you're addressing Bob, in you post there, is the one that only wants to stir up the pot with everything negative, and that's all he does here. I've yet to read where he offers any ideas on anything.
I have been reading these posts as well. I think one of the posters and Bob may disagree on some points,but are not trying to stir anything, just different points both I feel are constructive ideas.
Whoever the previous poster is,sounds to me like you have been "Stirring the Pot" Yourself. Don't go ape because someone may have different points than yours.
Is there only certain times that the soccer teams want the fields, like between 4 and 7 , or not on saturdays or sundays, or not on wednesdays. What times are they wanting them.
Are there lights at some of the fields, or none of them.
Years ago, and I don't know if this still happens, when my oldest played ball in middle school and below, they wouldn't practice on wednesday nights due to church. Is that still true now?
The more you tell us about your situation, the more support you may get in the long run.
Bob's explaination of the original intent of the fieldhouse is correct. And, when it was first completed, it was operated in the way it was meant to be. The Varsity Club members at the time would visit often, along with others to show off the field house to guests and such.
If it has changed now, how it is being used I mean, we, the varsity club, and the school board and high school faculty needs to know.
This would be a great story for one of the papers to pick up and do some investigation. I am sure the Lexington Hearld would love this type of story. But someone not connected with high school, school board etc who could go over and interview some of coaches and get the real story. I am sure everyone would be suprised as to who really gets to use it and how often. Hope someone will get to the bottom of it for all kids.
