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Tourism Chairman "Not A Corbin Citizen!"


The City should do the right thing and call this Board "The Tri-County" Tourism Board. The Chairman is passing himself off to other Tourism entities as a Citizen Of Corbin, this is not true and phony marketing.

If we are going to do this let's hire Pro's from Major Consulting Companies, pay their fee's and let then disguise themselves as Corbin Citizens and Tax Payers. It's no different hiring a Pro from Lexington or Louisville who pays no City Tax's than having Estep at the helm who pays no more than they do, all are Ky Citizens so lets get the Best People for the Job, if it does not matter where you reside then let's go after the Best.

Estep is certainly NOT the Best.

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RE: Tourism Chairman "Not A Corbin Citizen!"


There is a lot of truth in what you say.


They are doing exactly that with the Expo center, hiring a company to run and promote it, and they're not from corbin. Although,I sometimes worry they are trying to find someone locally to run it, as I don't think they've signed a contract to do it. 

Estep said in last nights News Journal that his tenure is up next year as tourism chairman, so, maybe we can survive till then. 

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The people on this site are ridiculous.  If he isn't a Corbin Citizen then the majority of the people the City has hired aren't either.  Lets take a look at the Corbin Employees.  I know the City Attorney doesn't live in the city.  Fire him!
I know the City Manager doesn't live in the City.  Fire Him!  Get rid of all the non corbin city employees, then lets see what you get.  If someone who works at the City can give us a list of employees and where they live that would be great.  These are paid positions as well.  The people who sit on the boards are not PAID!  No one would sit on these boards for free if they didn't care about Corbin!  Just because the Tourism hasn't back some projects doesn't mean they should be attacked by so Called Corbin Residence.  They pay city taxes by working in the city, is this correct?  What do you want?  I don't understand the dig of living outside Corbin.  Corbin is such a small city.  With limited housing!  Take a look around.  I am not from Corbin and don't want to be.  But this site is comicial with little petty people.

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If it is comical  to you why do you watch it? Because you get a chance to express your opinion. I may not agree with you but when I served in the military part of the reason was to be sure we could all freely express our opinions. You have freely expressed yours. What else do you want?

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Wonder who the poster two up is married to, related to, or on a committee with.


There is a difference between a wage earning employee, and elected official, and an appointed person that deals with money from the city of corbin taxpayers.

Wager earning employees do a job for their salary.  Police, fire, clerical, maintenance, etc.  No problem here in my opinion. A job is a job.

An elected official is required to live in the city limits of corbin before they can run for office.   Remember the last election fiasco.  It's in the paperwork required to be filled out when you file to run for office. And, only people that live in the city can vote for people running for a city elected office.  That's fair too. Any objections to that???

The problem is with the people that live outside the city limits, that are not technically citizens of the city of corbin, handling and having authority over the spending of the city of corbins tax money.  I'm not agreeing with this concept, I'm just stating that is the problem.

And, the problem never surfaced until the Tourism and Economic Development people came to blows a couple of years ago over money spent on nibroc, when first Estep challenged Carpenter to provide a statement of expenses for the money tourism gave him, and he flat refused to do so.  Then, he asked again the next year, and he again ignored him, and then this year, there was no question, and Estep gave him a blank check and now they are golfing buddies.

That's the problem.


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I hear there are some people considering the establishment of a Whitley County Tourism Commission, Whitley County Chamber, Whitley County Economic Development Office, and an annual Yeltihw Festival. ( the Yeltihw name is Whitley spelled backwards.) Yeltihw is pronounced yel-teh-wu and is a Native American term for "bright color".

The Yeltihw Festival would be held each year in October starting the first night of the full moon. Many of us out in the county are fed up with Corbin and Williamsburg. We are people without a government. Sheep without a shepherd.
A herd without a cowboy. A ship without a Captain and a jet without a pilot. We will boycott the two largest towns in Whitley County, and the Yeltihw Festival will be held out in the County. We may prohibit citizens of Williamsburg and Corbin from attending the Yeltihw Festival.

We will likely form our own county government. We will attract our own restaurants, bed and breakfast inns, and other amenities. Since Cumberland Falls State Park is out in the county this will be our center of activity.

We are no longer welcome in Corbin and Williamsburg so we must press on to survive.

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The problem is with the people that live outside the city limits, that are not technically citizens of the city of corbin, handling and having authority over the spending of the city of corbins tax money.  I'm not agreeing with this concept, I'm just stating that is the problem.



This guy must be fried.  The people who live outside the city also pay occupational taxes.  Just because they live outside the city doesn't mean they don't pay anything.   They also go to resturants.  I sure wish you had signed your name.  I think everyone outside the city can quess who wrote this.  



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I hear there are some people considering the establishment of a Whitley County Tourism Commission, Whitley County Chamber, Whitley County Economic Development Office, and an annual Yeltihw Festival. ( the Yeltihw name is Whitley spelled backwards.) Yeltihw is pronounced yel-teh-wu and is a Native American term for "bright color".

The Yeltihw Festival would be held each year in October starting the first night of the full moon. Many of us out in the county are fed up with Corbin and Williamsburg. We are people without a government. Sheep without a shepherd.
A herd without a cowboy. A ship without a Captain and a jet without a pilot. We will boycott the two largest towns in Whitley County, and the Yeltihw Festival will be held out in the County. We may prohibit citizens of Williamsburg and Corbin from attending the Yeltihw Festival.

We will likely form our own county government. We will attract our own restaurants, bed and breakfast inns, and other amenities. Since Cumberland Falls State Park is out in the county this will be our center of activity.

We are no longer welcome in Corbin and Williamsburg so we must press on to survive.



I know several people who live in the counties who will support this.  Great idea!



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Just think of all the great leaders who live in the county and not the city.  Even A j Carr lives in the county and is putting in the Shopping Center on South end.  I guess he can't serve on tourism because he lives in county.  Yet he is putting a lot of money in Corbin.  Does this sound right?  Please answer the question!

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There is no answer to this question, and that is the problem. No matter how you feel about it either way, there is no answer that will win this argument.

The idiot three posts up is a great example. They take one small portion of the whole post, and they use it as their platform. 

The biggest part of the whole issue is a committe spending corbin city tax dollars, and that committee's majority of members do not live in the city.  That's what gets people fired up.

So, if that's all it is, put the approval stamp on the mayor, and he will have final approval of the expenditure. 

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Anonymous wrote:
I hear there are some people considering the establishment of a Whitley County Tourism Commission, Whitley County Chamber, Whitley County Economic Development Office, and an annual Yeltihw Festival. ( the Yeltihw name is Whitley spelled backwards.) Yeltihw is pronounced yel-teh-wu and is a Native American term for "bright color".

The Yeltihw Festival would be held each year in October starting the first night of the full moon. Many of us out in the county are fed up with Corbin and Williamsburg. We are people without a government. Sheep without a shepherd.

A herd without a cowboy. A ship without a Captain and a jet without a pilot. We will boycott the two largest towns in Whitley County, and the Yeltihw Festival will be held out in the County. We may prohibit citizens of Williamsburg and Corbin from attending the Yeltihw Festival.

We will likely form our own county government. We will attract our own restaurants, bed and breakfast inns, and other amenities. Since Cumberland Falls State Park is out in the county this will be our center of activity.

We are no longer welcome in Corbin and Williamsburg so we must press on to survive

 


Umm, OK. Good luck with all that.

 



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Those of us working on the Yeltihw (Whitley spelled backwards) Festival are aware that we don't need luck, we need a miracle.

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I AGREE WITH THE ORIGINAL POSTER WE DONT NEED PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY ON THESE BOARDS ESPECIALLY THE MAIN STREET BOARDS GOD BLESS YOU

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I AGREE WITH THE ORIGINAL POSTER WE DONT NEED PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY ON THESE BOARDS ESPECIALLY THE MAIN STREET BOARDS GOD BLESS YOU



And God bless you. Do you have to live in the City to get to heaven?



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I AGREE WITH THE ORIGINAL POSTER WE DONT NEED PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY ON THESE BOARDS ESPECIALLY THE MAIN STREET BOARDS GOD BLESS YOU



Why "especially" the Main Street Board? Is it more critical than Tourism, Economic Development, or the other boards? Or could it be because you have a personal issue with Bob Terrell Jr., who has donated hundreds of hours of free time, worked the events, created their logo and ads, supported the program, and has done a few things you are not capable of, for free?

Are there an abundance of us city folks that have had a great deal of experience living in and/or working on a successful Main Street or Downtown area?  While I have a many smart, successful friends in town and we have many great people that I respect in the city, exactly what successful downtown areas have we, the city residents, had experience with? If you live in Corbin with it's lack of a successful downtown for the past 30 years, does that mean the we, the city people, are still the ones with the knowledge and experience to fix it?

The answer is a resounding NO. If that were the case, we wouldn't need fixing in the first place. We need help from the "outside", whether some of you want to admit it or not. We need the experiences that other people bring to the table, along with some of us. But we need to listen to these "outsiders" as you treat them, because they have lived in successful downtowns and been involved in successful downtown/Main Street programs, unlike many of us, including me. I've lived here for over 50 years, so what do I know about fixing our downtown and making it not only pretty, but a financial success?

Not a thing. At least I can admit it, unlike some of the stubborn old control freaks that think they know it all

This should be a good one response. God bless you, and Corbin, too.


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I am at a loss to understand what some of these posters have against people who may live outside of Corbin but may still work in Corbin, own property in Corbin and even serve on Corbin boards.  It is a mistake to alienate these people.  They contribute too much to our city.

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Many business people will tell you that having a business in a population center is most often better than having it in a rural location, for example downtown Corbin as opposed to a mile or so out on Buffalo Road.

Perpaps those posters you are referring to think that it makes a difference when people work in Corbin, etc. but do not pay property tax on their homes to Corbin. That is just the way things are done. Check out the voter registration laws. It is not where you work, have a business or drink your coffee. Where you live is where you vote. Boards and committees should be no different.

If you live in Corbin you should have the opportunity to serve in Corbin.

If you in Whitley you can serve on Yeltihw.

You don't have to see it that way but your method is like cutting line.

"I don't want to pay anything but can I still play and be the leader?"

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When the census for 2010 is completed London will have surpassed Corbin in population for the first time since the early 1900's, Corbin should be out showing people the advantqges of being in the city of Corbin instead of making people want to stay out of the City of Corbin.

I don't want to be on any more boards, committees, commissions or other organizations in the City of Corbin, and yet I love Corbin and many of its people. I grew up in Corbin. I left Corbin for military service and came back here to raise a family. There were no good jobs and I had to move out.

From Ohio, Texas Michigan and Oklahoma my gifts to organizations in Corbin were accepted and nobody told me you can't be involved because you don't live in Corbin.

The sad thing is that Corbin has such wonderful opportunities. We must stop accepting what we are and plan and work to become the best we can be. I believe it would be to our advantage if Corbin could get its population up to 15,000 by 2012 and to 25,000 by 2017.  Georgetown is getting a mall that is a mini Hamburg place. Georgetown has grown from far below 10,000 people to about 20,000 people as a result of getting Toyota in their area. It would be to the advantage of the people of this area if our population would hit those goals. We would have so much more influence in Frankfort and Washington, DC.

We have one strong characteristic we must utilize. We have many women who are outstanding leaders. Some places in America and other parts of the world still live in the dark ages. At the present time and in the future this will be a major resource for our business and community development.

Let's all pull for each other. Let's use all the talent we have. My best days are over but I am pulling for all of you to have high expectations and do your best together to reach them. Let's quit this in town or out of town battle. We don't have to agree but we can still work together.

Bob Terrell, Sr. 

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Tourism Chairman "Not A Corbin Citizen!"


Man, am I confused!
I just don't get it--What's the big problem with good citizens who live on the otherside of the line serving on boards and committees? I get the impression they can't be trusted with 'money' if they live outside the city limits. Not everybody can live in the city limits. It would be a bit crowded. Don't most of those residents work in the city limits? Don't they eat in your restaurants, buy gasoline, send their children to schools, all in the city limits? Do they shop for groceries in the city limits? Will the churches refuse their membership, tithes and donations? Do you question a person when he contributes to local charities, Nibroc, etc., etc.? What would Corbin tourism do without Cumberland Falls State Park? Is it in the city limits???
Yes, my questions may sound ridiculous, but don't you think this whole issue is ridiculous? Nobody is going to agree to the point of getting the job done, especially if the majority of the action is on a chatlist where no one gives his name. There will always be those who oppose decisions. I pity all the people working on the boards and commissions. They are up against a brick wall no matter what they decide. I'm beginning to wonder if the issues are the problem, or is it a matter of personalities? If a person has lived in Corbin his entire life, how could he not be interested in the growth and progress of his own town?
Have you ever hired a consultant to solve your problems? If they don't have the appropriate solution, they still expect to be paid--big bucks!
Another thing that bothers me is name-calling. You may not like what I say, or agree with my comments, but please, please don't call me an idiot.
I lived in Corbin. I do not now live in Corbin, and from what I have been reading, I don't want to live in Corbin. A lot of damage has, and is, being done to a lot of good people. I feel that the character assassination and backbiting are totally unnecessary? Nothing can be accomplished by this. Chat lists are supposed to be entertaining, informative, and fun.


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poneal wrote:

Man, am I confused!
I just don't get it--What's the big problem with good citizens who live on the otherside of the line serving on boards and committees? I get the impression they can't be trusted with 'money' if they live outside the city limits. Not everybody can live in the city limits. It would be a bit crowded. Don't most of those residents work in the city limits? Don't they eat in your restaurants, buy gasoline, send their children to schools, all in the city limits? Do they shop for groceries in the city limits? Will the churches refuse their membership, tithes and donations? Do you question a person when he contributes to local charities, Nibroc, etc., etc.? What would Corbin tourism do without Cumberland Falls State Park? Is it in the city limits???
Yes, my questions may sound ridiculous, but don't you think this whole issue is ridiculous? Nobody is going to agree to the point of getting the job done, especially if the majority of the action is on a chatlist where no one gives his name. There will always be those who oppose decisions. I pity all the people working on the boards and commissions. They are up against a brick wall no matter what they decide. I'm beginning to wonder if the issues are the problem, or is it a matter of personalities? If a person has lived in Corbin his entire life, how could he not be interested in the growth and progress of his own town?
Have you ever hired a consultant to solve your problems? If they don't have the appropriate solution, they still expect to be paid--big bucks!
Another thing that bothers me is name-calling. You may not like what I say, or agree with my comments, but please, please don't call me an idiot.
I lived in Corbin. I do not now live in Corbin, and from what I have been reading, I don't want to live in Corbin. A lot of damage has, and is, being done to a lot of good people. I feel that the character assassination and backbiting are totally unnecessary? Nothing can be accomplished by this. Chat lists are supposed to be entertaining, informative, and fun.



Corbin has great opportunities. We are finally discussing issues. This is how you improve. By sweeping things under the rug  it does not get improvement.
When Poneal talks about how we should not criticize she should remember that prior to this message board the only means get ideas in print were newspapers. The publisher could slam anyone he wanted but there was no way to defend yourself or present your side of anything.

Having team spirit has to start with the captain of the team. Team spirit can't just be a few members of the team running everything their way. Go back and read about the forming of our nation's constitution. Read about the debate, criticism that took place as they shaped our great constitution. Liberty is not a one way street. Freedom of speech is not just saying everything the way the power brokers want it to be said.

The people deserve to be able to speak, and the big bosses of society should listen to the good and the bad.  Poneal you have some good ideas, but remember that Corbin does have some great opportunities but we must act with a sense of urgency to be competitive in this rapid changing world.
Bob Terrell, Sr.



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From Ohio, Texas Michigan and Oklahoma my gifts to organizations in Corbin were accepted and nobody told me you can't be involved because you don't live in Corbin.


Bob Terrell, Sr.



No doubt your gifts have purchased you a few friends.

 



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Bob SR. is right.  If he and other Corbinites are excluded from Boards we will loose consierable experience and talents.  I for one hope that Bob and others will continue to donate their time and talents.

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Having team spirit has to start with the captain of the team. Team spirit can't just be a few members of the team running everything their way.

 



I couldn't agree more! We all need to get behind our legitimately elected and appointed leaders to make our town a winner. no one should go off on their own just to get glory or attention. I am very excited. great ideas Bob.



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I agree with the last poster, and have always wondered why this "out of city limits" stuff even started.

One thing we can do is put more responsibility on our city commissioners and mayor. They ran for office, so let them run the town.  We elected them, so now they can earn their keep.

I like the idea from another thread having a commissioner in charge overall of each of the committees.  I like that.

Even though I do not approve of anything Estep has done, it has nothing to do with whether he does or does not live in the city limits.

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Many business people will tell you that having a business in a population center is most often better than having it in a rural location, for example downtown Corbin as opposed to a mile or so out on Buffalo Road.

Perpaps those posters you are referring to think that it makes a difference when people work in Corbin, etc. but do not pay property tax on their homes to Corbin. That is just the way things are done. Check out the voter registration laws. It is not where you work, have a business or drink your coffee. Where you live is where you vote. Boards and committees should be no different.

If you live in Corbin you should have the opportunity to serve in Corbin.

If you in Whitley you can serve on Yeltihw.

You don't have to see it that way but your method is like cutting line.

"I don't want to pay anything but can I still play and be the leader?"




This post is as good an explanation as any.

 

 



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It would seem to me there is a lot of fuss going on about this "living in the city or not".   Isn't the goal of our community to find positive leadership and work toward a common goal?   I believe all our present goverment leaders are good, decent, hard working  volunteers with a desire to do the right thing.  I dont think the approach to fixing problems is bashing and damaging the character of individuals.  I do think we need to ALL step up and challenge each other to be better.   Everyone posting here is in agreement about one thing... they are passionate about what they believe.  Everyone here wants either a change or forward movement.  Its time to come together, without smearing another member of our community, and work toward the goal of making Corbin stronger, better, and more desireable for business and tourism.  Talking about where we live in relation to the city limit sign is a waste of time.  If you are passionate about Corbin, lace em up and get in the game.  Like I stated in a post prior, I don't live in the limits, but that wont stop me from doing my part to make our community better.  I dont need your votes, pats on the back, or agreeing with my opinion on this forum... I am going to do what is best for my family.... working in this community to make it a better place than I found it is what I am going to do.  There is more benefit in allowing people to be on committees who dont reside in the limits and are passionate about this town,  than the collection of their tax dollar.  If we work together, the tax dollars can be generated on the basis of new money coming into this area, by way of new industry, restaurants, retail, and the list goes on and on.  If UK had the opportunity in recuriting the top HS bball player in the nation, and they lived in Florida, would you disagree with that?   I doubt anyone who is a passionate about our Wildcats would.  This is our town, and it requires all of us to make it better.  Teamwork is a combination of each and every person on the team doing their part to accomplish a common goal.  Your opinion is vital, but your action is crucial.    

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I like the committees the way they are.

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