The next tourism meeting: what will happen!

Date: Sep 28, 2007

The next tourism meeting: what will happen!

Date: Sep 29, 2007

We can all quess who wrote this! Everyone just needs to attend all committee meeting and get it first hand. Don't count on the paper getting it right. As last weeks paper had one article after another with incorrect info.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

We can all quess who wrote this! Everyone just needs to attend all committee meeting and get it first hand. Don't count on the paper getting it right. As last weeks paper had one article after another with incorrect info.

Who are you guessing wrote this? If you think the Terrells sit around writing these messages you are totally wrong. The overwhelming majority of people support them, and many people stand up for them. Both newspapers confirmed the Tourism Chairman's childish actions at the last meeting.

I believe your crystal ball is all fogged up.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

This whole tourism chairman thing could be solved once and for all if Estep would just explain his issues point blank.

If he has issues, then put them on the table, and let us all see them. It's fine if he don't like someone, but he is destroying the town, and forcing people to choose. For now, every decision he makes or input he has will be questioned as to why and who he is trying to help or hurt.

He could solve this, he just won't.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The overwhelming majority of people support them ...

Please, lets be reasonable. That is absurd.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The overwhelming majority of people support them ...

Please, lets be reasonable. That is absurd.

YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW WHO ARE ABSURD.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

You can be assured that there are lots of Corbin people that support them. You can believe it or not, but it's true.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! MOST CORBIN PEOPLE SUPPORT THEIR COMMITTEES!
Do you honestly think the Corbin people would go against their own people. Lets get real.
They support each other like no other place. That is a good thing. You better make sure you are on the right side of the fence. People know who is pulling against the majority, the mayor and commissioners.

Date: Sep 29, 2007

Who are the corbin people you speak of? The ones on 5th street. Or Tattersall. Or the ones in East Corbin. Maybe you speak only of the ones that get the perks from the city commissioners and the committee chairpersons. Who is most corbin people?

Is corbin people only the ones that live in the city limits?

SO, according to you, last poster, all corbin people support all other corbin people. Is Estep a Corbin People? Are all the committee members that do not live in the city limits, not corbin people.

Who are CORBIN PEOPLE?

And, which side of the fence is the right side of the fence. You're saying if you're against the mayor and commissioners, you're not corbin people, or are you the ones pulling FOR them are most corbin people?

Are you a "corbin people"?

What are the requirements to be a "CORBIN PEOPLE".

Date: Sep 30, 2007

The last poster must be fried! Somebody help this poor person! I really feel sorry for you for such childish questions. The poster two up was just making a statement. Its posters like the one above that make this site stupid. Go back to first grade!

Its just like the county vs. city people. Are you really that childish to believe it really matters. Yes I live in the county. And I consider myself a Corbin person. Who do you live with? Your parents?

Date: Sep 30, 2007

Since there's two sides to every issue, I look at the post, now three up, (another good reason to have user names, so you can identify the people posting) as the main part of the problem we have in corbin.

Which side really is the right side of the fence for this person, to blindly follow and believe what the city fathers and their cronies tell them? I can see that person now, sitting at the Dixie drinking coffee with the rest of them, or hanging out at city hall, or chasing Don or Bruce around like a puppy, saying "yes master, whatever you say master".

We've got a mayor that is very proactive, and listens to anyone and everyone, and wants corbin to succeed and be a great place to live, no matter what. And we got two commissioners that don't.

Bob Terrell (Jr.) · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

The last poster must be fried! Somebody help this poor person! I really feel sorry for you for such childish questions. The poster two up was just making a statement. Its posters like the one above that make this site stupid. Go back to first grade!

Its just like the county vs. city people. Are you really that childish to believe it really matters. Yes I live in the county. And I consider myself a Corbin person. Who do you live with? Your parents?

I feel like I need to respond on this thread for a couple of reasons. First, for the "We all know who posted this" and "Who do you live with, your Parents?" telepathic out there, the original thread nor none of these messages were posted by Bob Terrell Sr. or Jr.

Secondly, this fixation you have regarding the fact I'm a guest in my parents's house, or with the women I date, or that I sat in the Beanery and worked for a few hours a day, or other comments you want to throw out there really have nothing to do with anything. If you want to debate the issues, like the quality or depth of my marketing work, the websites, the volunteer work I do for the city, my opinions on the Harley Dealership, thats fine, I'll sit down and discuss my work with anyone that wants to listen and look.

When someone can't win the debate on the issues, that is when they start with the name calling. Its actually pretty funny for you to tell the last poster to go back to the 1st grade, and then to end your post with a comment like "Who do you live with? Your parents?". Obviously a shot at me, even though it was someone else that posted the comments. I feel like your next post will include a "Na Na Na - Na Na Na".

Would you like me more if I went out and rented an apartment in the city for $1000 a month when I really don't need to? In reality, probably not. I've told Bob Sr. many times, although its harder for him to accept because this is his hometown, but if we somehow cured cancer tomorrow, there would still be a couple of you that would want us gone. No good reason, it's just the way it is.

Regarding the last message, before we get blamed for that post also, I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe we have a mayor and commissioners that have good morals and values, and want what they believe is the best for the city of Corbin, and consider them all my friends. Do I agree with everything? No. Sould we all agree with everything? No. That is what makes the system work. If we always agreed with everything and never fought for what we believed in, we would be at the mercy of our leaders and others all of the time. There needs to be debate, there needs to be new ideas, and there needs to be some disagreements. At the end of the day, it's about what ultimately helps the area, not about who wins the debate.

Bob Terrell (Jr.)

-- Edited by Bob Terrell (Jr.) at 13:15, 2007-09-30

Date: Sep 30, 2007

Bob Terrell (Jr.) wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The last poster must be fried! Somebody help this poor person! I really feel sorry for you for such childish questions. The poster two up was just making a statement. Its posters like the one above that make this site stupid. Go back to first grade!

Its just like the county vs. city people. Are you really that childish to believe it really matters. Yes I live in the county. And I consider myself a Corbin person. Who do you live with? Your parents?

I feel like I need to respond on this thread for a couple of reasons. First, for the "We all know who posted this" and "Who do you live with, your Parents?" telepathic out there, the original thread nor none of these messages were posted by Bob Terrell Sr. or Jr.

Secondly, this fixation you have regarding the fact I'm a guest in my parents's house, or with the women I date, or that I sat in the Beanery and worked for a few hours a day, or other comments you want to throw out there really have nothing to do with anything. If you want to debate the issues, like the quality or depth of my marketing work, the websites, the volunteer work I do for the city, my opinions on the Harley Dealership, thats fine, I'll sit down and discuss my work with anyone that wants to listen and look.

When someone can't win the debate on the issues, that is when they start with the name calling. Its actually pretty funny, for you to tell the last poster to go back to the 1st grade, and then to end your post with a comment like "Who do you live with? Your parents?". Obviously a shot at me, even though it was someone else that posted the comments. I feel like your next post will include a "Na Na Na - Na Na Na".

Would you like me more if I went out and rented an apartment in the city for $1000 a month when I really don't need to? In reality, probably not. I've told Bob Sr. many times, although its harder for him to accept because this is his hometown, but if we somehow cured cancer tomorrow, there would still be a couple of you that would want us gone. No good reason, it's just the way it is.

Regarding the last message, before we get blamed for that post also, I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe we have a mayor and commissioners that have good morals and values, and want what they believe is the best for the city of Corbin, and consider them all my friends. Do I agree with everything? No. Sould we all agree with everything? No. That is what makes the system work. If we always agreed with everything and never fought for what we believed in, we would be at the mercy of our leaders and others all of the time. There needs to be debate, there needs to be new ideas, and there needs to be some disagreements. At the end of the day, it's about what untimately helps the area, not about who wins the debate.

Well said. Personal attacks are silly and generally don't even makes sense.

Date: Sep 30, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

We've got a mayor that is very proactive, and listens to anyone and everyone,

I hope not. If the mayor is smart he will listen to the voters of Corbin and ignore the griping of the people who live outside the city. They have gotten this town in enough mess already. Too much meddling. This one got fired. This one screamed at somebody. This one didn't get a website deal. Enough is enough. I know that those people would like to run city government but when it comes to city business the voters of Corbin should be the ones making the board and committee decisions since they are the ones who will cast their ballots in the City election. If a few of the county people are that power hungry maybe one of the tri county fiscal courts can appoint them to something. Maybe even that foolish Yeltihw that they came up with in another post.

Your IP has been banned by the administrator of this forum. You are not permited to comment.

UK Wildcat · Senior Member

Bob Terrell (Jr.) wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The last poster must be fried! Somebody help this poor person! I really feel sorry for you for such childish questions. The poster two up was just making a statement. Its posters like the one above that make this site stupid. Go back to first grade!

Its just like the county vs. city people. Are you really that childish to believe it really matters. Yes I live in the county. And I consider myself a Corbin person. Who do you live with? Your parents?

I feel like I need to respond on this thread for a couple of reasons. First, for the "We all know who posted this" and "Who do you live with, your Parents?" telepathic out there, the original thread nor none of these messages were posted by Bob Terrell Sr. or Jr.

Secondly, this fixation you have regarding the fact I'm a guest in my parents's house, or with the women I date, or that I sat in the Beanery and worked for a few hours a day, or other comments you want to throw out there really have nothing to do with anything. If you want to debate the issues, like the quality or depth of my marketing work, the websites, the volunteer work I do for the city, my opinions on the Harley Dealership, thats fine, I'll sit down and discuss my work with anyone that wants to listen and look.

When someone can't win the debate on the issues, that is when they start with the name calling. Its actually pretty funny for you to tell the last poster to go back to the 1st grade, and then to end your post with a comment like "Who do you live with? Your parents?". Obviously a shot at me, even though it was someone else that posted the comments. I feel like your next post will include a "Na Na Na - Na Na Na".

Would you like me more if I went out and rented an apartment in the city for $1000 a month when I really don't need to? In reality, probably not. I've told Bob Sr. many times, although its harder for him to accept because this is his hometown, but if we somehow cured cancer tomorrow, there would still be a couple of you that would want us gone. No good reason, it's just the way it is.

Regarding the last message, before we get blamed for that post also, I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe we have a mayor and commissioners that have good morals and values, and want what they believe is the best for the city of Corbin, and consider them all my friends. Do I agree with everything? No. Sould we all agree with everything? No. That is what makes the system work. If we always agreed with everything and never fought for what we believed in, we would be at the mercy of our leaders and others all of the time. There needs to be debate, there needs to be new ideas, and there needs to be some disagreements. At the end of the day, it's about what ultimately helps the area, not about who wins the debate.

Bob Terrell (Jr.)

-- Edited by Bob Terrell (Jr.) at 13:15, 2007-09-30

Very good points. The ones who can't debate the issues make themselves real obvious with their posts. To the previous poster one message above, instead of empty comments, why don't you state your case. How did these county folks get our town into, as you put it, a supposed mess? How did they meddle? Explain your comments.

Date: Sep 30, 2007

I agree Wildcat. The "Banned IP" we'll call him, since he keeps referencing his problem with his IP router program, should make a reccomendation with his complaints of county people running the city's committees. That's what I get from his posts.

I challenge him to find people that live in the city limits that would be willing to serve on these boards and committees. I tried to months ago when this issue first came up involving non-city limits folks on the boards. You won't find them. They aren't out there. I tried my darndest to find them.

First, it was hard to find business owners who have business's in the city, that they themselves live in the city. Then, when I did find some, they were not interested at all in serving on any of these committees. The wouldn't even think about it. I honestly talked to around 20 people, in private confidential conversations, and they all said no. And, I should mention, I know all of them, some better than others, but, I know all of them.

Second, one of the main reasons that they all said no was because of he amount of personal time it took to serve on these groups. Some had children of their own, some have grandchildren. They all said they had better things to do than serve on these committees.

Third, they mentioned never being able to please anyone. We all know what that means. Only two of them mentioned this board as I recall, and I didn't mention it to any of them. Of course, this has been some months ago when this city/county thing came up here.

Finally, they all mentioned that they live outside the city limits now. And the reason was they could not find property that they liked to build or buy in the city limits at the time when they bought or built their homes. Most all of them have lived in their respective homes for many years, and they weren't interested in moving.

So, all that said, I challenge the "Banned IP" to find some folks that will serve on these committees, that live in the city limits. Good luck. I tried, and failed. Maybe you'll have better luck.

lucy · New Member

I personally do not live in the city anymore, but did live within the city limits most of my life. I reside on Black Diamond now, and which I might add is a great place to live. But just because I don't live within the limits, does not mean I don't care about the city of Corbin. I went to every Corbin school we had and graduated in 2006. I hope to one day, along with my husband, have a business within the city and help the economy of Corbin. But, replying to the post 2 above, would I be making a "mess?" I only intend to help Corbin. I don't intend to become "power hungry" and try to take over the world. But, apparently, that's what we "country folk" do.

Date: Sep 30, 2007

According to the tally on this tread, this one has been up only about one day, and it already has had 170 viewers.

That is amazing.

Date: Sep 30, 2007

Personal attacks need to stop but when you know which side something is coming from it makes you want to fight back. The attacks can't just be one sided and from a certain group. It has really upset me about this county people don't live in the city and can't be called Corbin people or be on committees. What the heck is that! I also know who started it and who is keeping it going. I will work on getting this stopped. It is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.. Especially when you can look around and see all the good hard working people who run businessees in Corbin. The Hoovers, Walkers, All the Doctors, Lawyers, etc who live outside the city. The poster who keeps this going really need to take a good look at what they are saying.

Date: Sep 30, 2007

One point of the last poster is totally on target. The names and professions he mentions are a good point to use. Would you tell any of them that they werent' worthy or welcome to serve or chair any of the committees in corbin. Sure, they can't run for office, but, they would do more good in a committee position.

The last poster mentions personal attacks. I've noticed one thing on this board, and that is what few personal attacks have been initiated, are directed toward elected city officials, city management employees, or persons on city committees that handle taxpayers money. They are all accountable for their actions and words, and they must realized it is part of serving the public. Many times, people in those positions think it's the citizens and voters that serve them, but they've got it backwards. They serve us, at our discretion.

AJ · Senior Member

Here is another opinion for what its worth. You dont have to be on a committee to do something good for your community. Those two names mentioned earlier are proof. There are many, many more names that have done great things for Corbin as well and have never served a public office. All that is neccessary is to be passionate about where you live. I have said this before and gonna say it again... I dont care where you live, what your name is, where you went to school, how many people are on your side... all that matters is where your heart is at. I consider myself a "Corbin Person", as does so many more. This forum should be like a huddle, not a boxing ring. It is everybody's responsiblity to work in this community. Its where we live and breathe! The more focused we are at making things better, the better chance we have at succeding. When I was a kid, one of my basketball coaches told me this.... YOU MISS ONE HUNDRED PRECENT OF THE SHOTS YOU DONT TAKE. To me, thats what being proactive is all about.

A.J. Carr

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

According to the tally on this tread, this one has been up only about one day, and it already has had 170 viewers.

That is amazing.

It is amazing. In one day this page has hit 199. It keeps picking up steam.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I challenge him to find people that live in the city limits that would be willing to serve on these boards and committees. I tried to months ago when this issue first came up involving non-city limits folks on the boards. You won't find them. They aren't out there. I tried my darndest to find them.

I must agree with "Banned IP" on this issue and I appreciate "Banned IP" for presenting his or her view even though the board administrator tries to ban their IP from participating on this board.

People that live in the city should be filling the Corbin board and committee positions. By your comments you must really have a low opinion of city residents.

By the way, were you authorized in some way to be looking for people to fill board positions in city government or are you just one of the many on the outside looking in.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I challenge him to find people that live in the city limits that would be willing to serve on these boards and committees. I tried to months ago when this issue first came up involving non-city limits folks on the boards. You won't find them. They aren't out there. I tried my darndest to find them.

I must agree with "Banned IP" on this issue and I appreciate "Banned IP" for presenting his or her view even though the board administrator tries to ban their IP from participating on this board.

People that live in the city should be filling the Corbin board and committee positions. By your comments you must really have a low opinion of city residents.

By the way, were you authorized in some way to be looking for people to fill board positions in city government or are you just one of the many on the outside looking in.

Perhaps Mr. Banned IP feels like his or her chances to control and have power are greater when there are fewer people to choose from. If the "Outsiders" like the Hoovers, the Terrells, the Carrs, the Walkers, and many other contributors have a say or offer solid input, they might steal someone's thunder. That is what this is all about, people who want the thunder - power and control - not really where they live or what will benefit Corbin the most.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I challenge him to find people that live in the city limits that would be willing to serve on these boards and committees. I tried to months ago when this issue first came up involving non-city limits folks on the boards. You won't find them. They aren't out there. I tried my darndest to find them.

I must agree with "Banned IP" on this issue and I appreciate "Banned IP" for presenting his or her view even though the board administrator tries to ban their IP from participating on this board.

People that live in the city should be filling the Corbin board and committee positions. By your comments you must really have a low opinion of city residents.

By the way, were you authorized in some way to be looking for people to fill board positions in city government or are you just one of the many on the outside looking in.

when you are in the swamp up to your neck in aligators you should want to get support from anyone willing to give it.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

According to the tally on this tread, this one has been up only about one day, and it already has had 170 viewers.

That is amazing.

It is amazing. In one day this page has hit 199. It keeps picking up steam.

Who is counting nonsense like this? Five posters click on the board 40 times a day to see if anyone replied to their post. You do the math.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

We're coming up on the month of October, and that means a new Tourism and Chamber of Commerce and City Commission meeting. But, the Tourism meeting will hold the majority of the suspense. What will happen?

Will Estep provide anyone with a meeting agenda earlier than 3 days before the meeting, or will he wait until he drops the gavel and calls the meeting to order before he hands it out?

Will he provide his nemisis, Ms. Swindler and her paper, with a copy of the agenda for the next meeting, or will he require her to submit a Freedom of Information Act request for it?

Will ace reporter and Estep fellow tailgater Trent "I'm from the Daily Planet" Knuckles receive an agenda copy, yet hide it until after the meeting so someone can say there was one out there somewhere?

Will Estep put the web site issue on the agenda, if there is an agenda?

Will Estep put the web service to a vote, or try to vote for all the committee members by sayine, "I"m running this show here"?

How many phone calls will Estep make to all his committee members trying to align them with his wishes? More or less than 500.

Will the other committee members stand up for themselves and vote their hearts, or let Estep try to coerce them to stand behind him?

Will the committee members be willing to be interviewed by the newspapers, both of them, as to any previous conversations about that nights vote.

And lastly, will any people other than the regulars show up at the meeting to try to see how Estep will act?

Only time will tell.

Does anyone know the date of the next meeting, and the meeting place. I'm sure it's during the work day, when most people are working and can't take off to attend.

You sure do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Mr. Estep.