Our local boards, WHO ARE THEY!!!

Date: Feb 7, 2007

RE: Our local boards, WHO ARE THEY!!!

Date: Feb 7, 2007

Again, this all comes down to how will Corbin grow and possibly expand as a City. You cannot expect the City of Corbin to Market itself and have Folk's on City Boards Bickering all the time, (that handle Tax payer dollars) That don't even live in the City themselves and never have payed a penny of City Taxes themselves?

Again, there are plenty of qualified individuals that reside inside the City of Corbin who have never been appraoched to serve on these Boards. These are the Folk's that should have first shot. This makes the City have a better Marketing angle when trying to possibly grow or Annex and expand. Where is the Incentive to come into The City of Corbin when You have a bunch of (Outside City Residents) Bickering amongst themselves who do not live or pay Taxes, but they themselves Know what's best for You, City Resident, and your hard earned Tax Dollars.

In my opinion, Some of these Folk's that serve who Bicker constantly with other Boards remind me of the Old Pharisees in Biblical Times! They get up early in the morning trotting down Main Street with their Long Robes, going from Restaurant to Rest., Into Local Banks, Attending Ball Games with their Heads held High, Wearing Proud faces. Some even try and use Local Newspaper columns as Props and Mirrors to try and Reflect their opinions over on what they feel is best for you and your City Tax Dollars and growth through annexation.

Yet when the Smoke clears and the Mirrors begin to fade out, They themselves have never paid a penny of City Tax Dollars, or even Reside in the City themselves. They Run to and fro advocating annexation, but yet they never have approached the city themselves about annexing their Property or neighboorhoods first. Why?
They have the best of both worlds, serving on Boards, Not living in City, Not Paying City Taxes, Paying their Taxes, but to Who??? Laurel,London,Knox, Whitley. Yet the Bickering continues. Who really has Corbin's best interest at Heart?

Date: Feb 7, 2007

The Previous Poster is Correct:

Fake Board who claim to represent Corbin, Members Paying tax's to Laurel County, London, Williamsburg, Barbourville, Knox County but Zero to the City. The Tourism Director now also exposed as living outside the Corbin City Limits??? What will we see next, the South Dakota Cattle Man's Association Runnning City hall???

This is outrageous, the citizens of Corbin should be absolutley Shocked by these Phony Boards and all the while fight Each other. The New mayor and commision should move on this quickly, appoint new Boards and Envoke Executive and or Emergency Privaliges the City Mayor has to clean out these nests of Phony Board members.

Just some advice for the new Administration in the City, this looks really bad on everyone, folks are already asking lot's of questions.

This is just the beginning.

Date: Feb 7, 2007

So you are saying that Mr. Curry's official residency is in Corbin, not London? I also agree with a previous post, you don't see garage doors on Main Streets in promising or well kept downtowns, unless you are in Brooklyn, and on top of it having to drive over the citys sidewalk into the enter the structure. You are entitled to think that a garage door looks better than a Main Street store front, but you won't have many downtown business owners agreeing with you - one I know of.

I here the garage door is temporary until he opens his Starbucks coffee and sandwich Shoppe.

IF IM NOT MISTAKEN THE SIDE WALK IS OWNED BY HIM.

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

In what general area does the Tourism Director live. No specifics, but the general area.

For the garage door, I also heard two discussions on this. Another type of business, but hadn't heard of Starbucks, and also heard he intended to remodel and add space for the restaurant /club, and then would continue his present store front style to this area with the garage door.

Date: Feb 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

What?????????????????????????????

The Tourism Board Leader does not Live in the City City Limits either?????????????????????????

Tell me this is not SO???????????????????????????????????????????

These guys will Handle a Million Dollar Budget, what in this world is going on???????

I just saw this on another post, tell me this is not soooooo?????

Date: Feb 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What?????????????????????????????

The Tourism Board Leader does not Live in the City City Limits either?????????????????????????

Tell me this is not SO???????????????????????????????????????????

These guys will Handle a Million Dollar Budget, what in this world is going on???????

I just saw this on another post, tell me this is not soooooo?????

Funny how the activity on this thread died when the discovery of the tourism board leader lives --------------- outside the city limits on the west side of the interstate, so watch what you say the newspaper buys ink in 55 gal drums, you buy ink pins!

-- Edited by Administrator at 10:35, 2007-02-11

Date: Feb 9, 2007

It sounds like to me, someone is awful jealous of the tourism board chairman, who cares if he lives outside the city limits. I guess you he must be something to have all of this fuss made about where he lives. Only someone pretty small, no self-esteem, and desperate for attention, and not very smart to make such a big deal about something so trival. Lets examine and measure people by what they do in a position for the community. Are we suppose to start taking out a tape measure, if you live two inches out side of city limits you are not welcome to work, breathe, or vistit Corbin.

No wonder companies do not want to come to Corbin, When we have grown men, acting like children and certain leaders that cant keep their name out of the local papers for more than two days in the last year. there is obviously a problem.

Date: Feb 9, 2007

Apparently the Last Poster has not read the Previous Posts, a Tape measure? You bet, that's the difference in city residents paying Thousands Of Dollars in City Tax's and the other folks paying Zero, again it's do as I say and advise but not as I really do.

Your very welcome to help the City, Your Also welcome to Help Pay City Tax's. That's the kind of help we need and not any more free advice.

Am very shocked to see this, would have thought the Director lived in the City an supported the City by paying City Tax's, the Director seems to be very frugal with Money from the city rest Tax and not even live in the city, this is like the previous posts that refer to the Biblical Pharisiss whom trick the people into following them while going from Restaurant to Restaurnat and all the while send their Money to Whitley County, Laurel County & Knox County bit purport to help while their badly needed money goes elsewhere.

Again, what is going here, Phony Boards with Folks who do not live and pay tax's in the city, squabbles between the exsiting Boards between people who have never paid a PENNY of City Tax's????

We may soon find out the Texas Grapefruit Association is on the Local Tourism Board along with the Chamber Board, this is almost a Circus Atmosphere, we outa be selling Tickets to this Big Top Show and all the While the City Tax Payer is being represented by Folks who apparently think they do not have to pay anything???

How Sad

Date: Feb 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Apparently the Last Poster has not read the Previous Posts, a Tape measure? You bet, that's the difference in city residents paying Thousands Of Dollars in City Tax's and the other folks paying Zero, again it's do as I say and advise but not as I really do.

Your very welcome to help the City, Your Also welcome to Help Pay City Tax's. That's the kind of help we need and not any more free advice.

Am very shocked to see this, would have thought the Director lived in the City an supported the City by paying City Tax's, the Director seems to be very frugal with Money from the city rest Tax and not even live in the city, this is like the previous posts that refer to the Biblical Pharisiss whom trick the people into following them while going from Restaurant to Restaurnat and all the while send their Money to Whitley County, Laurel County & Knox County bit purport to help while their badly needed money goes elsewhere.

Again, what is going here, Phony Boards with Folks who do not live and pay tax's in the city, squabbles between the exsiting Boards between people who have never paid a PENNY of City Tax's????

We may soon find out the Texas Grapefruit Association is on the Local Tourism Board along with the Chamber Board, this is almost a Circus Atmosphere, we outa be selling Tickets to this Big Top Show and all the While the City Tax Payer is being represented by Folks who apparently think they do not have to pay anything???

How Sad

It is obvious by your posts that you know everything about running city government, so why don't you gather up all your city folk friends and bring them down to the board meetings and do a hostel take over, and while you are at it kick all the commissioners out that doesn't live in the city limits. Start a list of who you would like on your board because its obvious that you would be the chairman.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Since you are the Smart one, telling one poster about kicking off all commissioners who do not reside in City, Tell us then who is this Mystery Commissioner that resides OUTSIDE the City? WE now know who these Board Folks are who try and run the big show's and handle City Tax payer money, but never pay city Taxes themselves because they have Chosen not to live in the City?

There is no Incentives for anybody anywhere to come into the City Limits when you have people that sit on these Boards, bickering, arguing, and not living in Corbin City limits themselves. What a Shame this is! Again so many good Qualified folk's that are Buisness people right here in the City Limits that have never been asked or approached to serve on Tourism,Chamber, Economic Boards. Again, I believe all of these people are good folks with good intentions, but requirements should be set strictly with City Residents as Board members when handling of City Tax Dollars (Rest.) Tax Money!

Nobody is trying to build walls. This gives the City a better angle to market itself to non residents when trying to pursue growth. When people look at all these Boards and see over half the members do not live in Corbin Limits themselves, and are in the Newspapers fighting with each other all the time, one would wonder why in the world would I want to be in the City when these people can be on Boards, tell the City Resident what's best for their tax Dollars, and participate freely to tell whats best for you City Resident? What kind of Message does this send to people? It's not a very good marketing position for the City. In my opinion, one would have to feel pretty guilty to live outside the City Limits of Corbin and serve on one of these Boards, Handle Tax Dollars, Economic growth, and never pay a nickel of City Taxes themselves. I just don't see it no matter how qualified one may be, when on the other hand, you have Buisness owners and Individuals that have excellent Buisness skills residing directly in the City Of Corbin that are being left out. SHOCKED!!!

Date: Feb 10, 2007

It is obvious by your posts that you know everything about running city government, so why don't you gather up all your city folk friends and bring them down to the board meetings and do a hostel take over, and while you are at it kick all the commissioners out that doesn't live in the city limits. Start a list of who you would like on your board because its obvious that you would be the chairman.

Like the person said above quit shooting of your mouth and do something about what you believe. Sounds like you are all mouth and no action.

List of people you want on the boards!!!!!!!!

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We all know who is on the boards now. So give us your pics.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

To the previous poster. Evidently your goal is to take up space with Silly comments that don't make a lick of sense on what is being posted. You and your Phantom Friends find fun elswhere! These are important issues that need to be discussed about requirements of Board members, Residency, Handling of City Tax Funds and how it affects Corbins angle to better move forward with Growth opportunities in other areas. So Long!

Date: Feb 10, 2007

This is a complex issue, and we would not want to throw out some people who care deeply about Corbin. Once again, there are a lot of people who would like to be annexed into Corbin. When annexation is mentioned in the newspapers or in a Commission Meeting those opposed to annexation start screaming in a loud and emotional voice without considering the benefits of annexation.

If Corbin was a city of 15,000 to 20,000 people we would have the same clout as Danville, Georgetown, or other stronger cities. We would not be viewed by industry as a small, non growing community with no future. In Frankfort they don't pay any attention to Whitley County. Exit 25 and Exit 11 off I-75 are the two worst exits from the Tennessee border to the Ohio border. Exit 25 is a traffic disaster, and when the Convention Center is completed it will be a traffic catastrophe. Do you know it will be at least 16 years before it will likely be brought up to proper standards. Why? Because we have no clout in Corbin. Whitley County does not give a hoot about Corbin, Knox County does not give any priority to Corbin, and Laurel County would like to bury Corbin.

There are 33,000 people within five miles of downtown Corbin. When are we going to grow up and reach our potential? Potential is not worth anything if people don't have a vision, a plan, a commitment, and the drive to make it a reality. Let's make Corbin the very best it can be. This would be a blessing for not just Corbin but for many people in Eastern Kentucky. We have too many county and state politicians who are just sucking the blood out of us for their own benefit. Let's support Mayor McBurney and the new Commission and make Corbin an Exceptional Community. These are just my thoughts.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Bob, The persons griping on this thread about board members that do not live in the city limits haven’t a clew what’s going on anyway, so what’s the fuss and who cares about these trouble makers, actually this thread has become quite humorous. A few people on this thread obviously knows the big picture and try to explain, but you get these silly immature feed back from persons that's obviously been hourly salary all there lives and have never ran a business of there own. Thinks for trying to enlighten them, reminds me of trying to teach a child its first word.

Question: Corbin being a 4th class city would that change if the surrounding area was annexed?

Date: Feb 10, 2007

That is a good question. I will try to find out and post it next week. Thanks for the question.
Bob, Sr.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

To the poster two posts before, your comments and attitude are part of the problem here, the problem that all the threads here are refrencing. The "hourly salary" people are the ones that built corbin, and live in it now. They are the majority. They are the ones that vote in the city. Your comments sounds snobbish. Take the silver spoon out of your mouth, I'm sure there's one in there.

If you're a high salaried business owner, as you insinuate, you must not depend on daily customers for your income. Otherwise, you'd realize that if "hourly salary" folks, customers, don' t like you or your business, you're out of business.

You, dear poster, are part of the problem, not the solution. You sound like one of the very board members "we" are talking about.

You say "silly immature feedback", and your comments reflect just that. The comments that are posted here regarding having only city residents serve on our boards tend to make more and more sense as they come. And it's comments like yours that make people want this more. If you are an "in city" resident, I'll bet you wouldn't make these comments publicly.

Mr. Terrell, the people of the city of corbin and corbin end of whitley county are now realizing what they have for a county judge. They are realizing their mistake. It is amazing how many of my friends did not vote in that election. I am on them daily for their complacency.

The city commission and mayor have a huge task ahead of them, and they will have to walk softly at first.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

So, the Tourism Board Chairman lives outside the city. That is very interesting. No wonder he so staunchly defends the issue of not having only city residents serve on these boards.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

To the 4th poster before, I hope the next time his air or heating unit goes out, he remembers who fixes it. Or goes to the doctor and the "hourly salary" person billing his insurance, they code it the correct way. What about his teeth, the next time he goes to the dentist, he needs to check and see who actually works on him the longest time, no, it's not the college educated dentist, it's the tech's, that work by the hour. Or the lowly bank employee, who doesn't screw up his account. You think the suits in the offices that shakes your hand and greases you for business does the dirty work. Not a chance.

Yes sir, the other poster was right, you're the problem here. Who the heck do you think you are.

Do you work? If so, you probably work for daddy or mommy, in some family business that you just "slid" into without earning your way up.

Do you live in the city limits? I'd say no if I were wagering.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Should we exclude them from sending their kids to Corbin Schools, participating on sports teams, using our streets, spending money at our grocery and other retail stores, attending our churches, paying to join our Chamber, etc?

You have just as much chance, possibly even more of a chance, of having personal agendas with a city resident than with someone who lives 2 blocks outside "The Line".

I can understand where your emotions are on this topic, but I still believe that picking the right individuals with the right teamwork attitudes is the key, because you can get bad apples in the city or outside of the city. There are also worthy, caring people who live both in and outside the city as well.

I had to go back to a post several days ago, but I think this post kind of sums it up best. Some of you talk of these people like they are some sort of "Outsiders", sounding like we are back in the 1800's. These are the same people who you sit next to at church and worship with, work with, dine with, and bottom line live with. Just because they live two blocks outside the city and don't pay the city tax doesn't mean they don't have Corbin's best interest at heart, and just because someone lives in the city and pays the city tax doesn't mean that they do have Corbin's best interests at heart - there are many examples.

Bottom line is we are all neighbors, brothers and sisters, whether you pay our city tax or not, and as the above poster stated, "Picking the right individuals with the right teamwork attitudes is the key, because you can get bad apples in the city or outside of the city. There are also worthy, caring people who live both in and outside the city as well." Read the above post and think about it.

That is one of the things I have always appreciated about Bob Terrell's attitude. He has always stated that "What is good for Corbin is good for London, what is Good for Williamsburg is good for Corbin..." and so on. Teamwork is what makes things happen, not this childish bantering back and fourth between cities, counties, and with this board topic, even neighbors. If everyone shared Bob's attitude imagine what type of progress and growth we would see. We have the potential, but without teamwork and the right people, we will never see it.

There are some outstanding people on these boards, some who live outside the city line. There are also several examples of city residents on these boards who do a poor job representing the local people and businesses, and are on them to only represent themselves and a handful of friends. Most people I talk to know exactly who these people are.

Put the best people in these board positions who will do the best for the people and businesses, period.

It also sounds from the tone of a one poster that he or she has a personal issue with Don Estep. I'll take Don Estep on my team any day of the week whether he lives in Downtown Corbin, Tattersaw or Tenbucktwo. These posts sound more like a "Personal Agenda" rant more than an "I care about what is best for the City" theme.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

I agree, aside from Mr. Terrell, Don Estep is one of the staunches supporters of corbin and it's programs there is. If he lived in south america, I would still have him on our boards. If you think otherwise, give him a call, talk with him.

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

Don Estep is an example many could not follow. His dedication to corbin, and its programs and issues is commendable.

Yes, it sounded as if someone has a personal issue with him, and I would love to see the administrator remove his persoal addrsess from that post. That was uncalled for.

All aside though, city residents do have an issue with non residents handling and deciding the use of their tax dollars.

One suggestion, have the boards such as tourism and such, make the decisions as to where the money should be spent, but the city commission and mayor, as they are REQUIRED to be city residents, have the final decision.

In other words, the boards would write the checks, but the city commission and mayor would have to sign them. That way, city residents, elected officials, would approve expenditures. Then, you could have anyone, anywhere, on a board, but they couldn't spend any money without a bonafide city residing person approving it.

What do you think.

Again, Mr. Estep, thanks for you time and dedication to corbin.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Nibroc Fan

Why ley anyone make decisions with other People's money? Why let the Commission sign checks after the money has been ermarked for use by the Outside Boards??????

Your Quote here tells it all "Have the Boars Make the Decisions"

That's the whole problem we have now, that's what all these different post are upset about, no city residents making the decision where and how to spend their money. After the Fact Activity by the City is what they have now.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Let me Chime in here. First of all, Nibroc Fan was the one I believe who started this thread of Know who your Board Members are? OK. Then, Nibroc Fan was the first to say HURRAH HURRAH to the Person that listed all their names, including the President of Tourism. Again, these are outstanding folks who have contributed alot. No question about this. But, when these same Folk's Address are listed, and they do not Reside in the City, Nibroc Fan Panics. Don't you think its a little strange!!!! Same guy who claimed he wants you to Know Your Board Members, starts the thread, Hurrah's about listing the Names, BUT NOW PANICS OVER ADDRESS LISTINGS ON BOARD MEMBERS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF CORBIN!!!!! Anybody can look at the Bell south Phone directory and find most. I'm sure Nibroc Fan got one on his steps. Are you mad at Bell south for Listing those same folks in their Book???? They went to everyone I'm sure in town! This is about having good qualified Buisness folks who RESIDE in the City to be given option of serving and Handling Tax dollars coming from City Residents. The Commission doesnt have a good marketing angle allowing Squablers who do not reside inside the City Limits to Dictate how to handle City Money when they don' pay a Cent. The City commission is going to have to decide whether they want opportunities to grow,(anexation), Rest,Tax), and ,or keep folks who squable, and dont pay city Taxes or reside in City themselves on these Important Boards! In my opinion, Let's get people that are city Residents on these boards who have the Buisness Skills and are Capable. This will only increase the City's chance of having Better results than with individuals who personally choose to live outside the City of Corbin and pay no City Taxes, and Love to squable constantly. You cannot Market the City for Growth, when almost 70% of the Board Members live Outside the limits????

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Something is wrong here NIBROC FAN fan starts this thread, exposes out of city board members, states his unhappiness about this issue, then turns around and is now kissing there butts.

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Something is wrong here NIBROC FAN fan starts this thread, exposes out of city board members, states his unhappiness about this issue, then turns around and is now kissing there butts.

I have read the "Local Boards" posts from day one, and NIBROC FAN, as I read it anyway, started the thread because he wanted to know who was on the Boards of these committees for accountability reasons, and because the public should know who they are - not to "Expose Out" anybody. NIBROC FAN was never critical, just gave his or her opinion.

The "Oh My, Whats Their Home Address, They are Foreigners, Lets Run Them Out!" nonsense was started by another poster, presumably you. You can make your point about where someone lives without giving home addresses. Your messages remind me of a few board members - getting involved not to help the City or Businesses, but to create waves and havoc for others boards and people.

Your poorly thought out comments just make you and your opinions look bad.

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

I love it when I generate the kind of conversations we have here. That's what this board is about. Strange thing is, at least I'm willing to give myself a posting name and stand by my posts. Few others do. Why is that? We don't need your real name here, only one with which to just know who is on the board no matter what the subject. Come on people, give us something to call you. Just think, had I not put a name to it, you would have thought it was 20 different people posting here. You do the same. I doubt you will, as you are usually the same people that should you be asked to serve on one of these boards you would refuse.

Kissing their butts? How so? I believe the only one I mentioned is Mr. Estep. And yes, I will put his credibility over anyones for working for the good of corbin. Had I mentioned anyone else. Panic, I don't think so.

I have no problem with listing their names. They are on a public board. But to list their address's. That's going overboard. No, I don't agree with that. That's just simple respect. Those who don't care about that issue, have no respect.

Most of the posters here have a problem with these boards deciding what to do with city money, and the board being controlled by persons that don't live in the city. They want the board members of these boards, to be city residents. I don't think that will happen any time soon.(thats an opinion people, if you don't like it, post your opinion) No matter what, the city residents don't like the idea of the non city folks spending their city money. Others want feel we should recruit only city residents to serve on these boards. That has merit, but again, I don't think you'll find enough that would serve. Thats my opinion, so, I hope you read all of the sentence, that's an opinion.

I'll say it again, with all the concern over having non city residents spending city money, don't give them the power to actually spend it. Give that to the city commissioners and mayor. They, the boards, present a proposal to the city commission, after the board has discussed and decided upon the project, and the city commission will decide whether or not to actually spend the money.

That's a suggestion. Anyone have a another one, other than the basic "city residents on boards only" suggestions from the other folks here. I should say a constructive suggestion.