Our local boards, WHO ARE THEY!!!

Date: Jun 17, 2007

RE: Our local boards, WHO ARE THEY!!!

Date: Jun 17, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

- Albert Einstein

This is Corbin's problem, and there are endless examples, from this Main Street program and the handful of people behind the sceens who want it to fail, to the character of certain members of our Industrial, Tourism and the Chamber boards and their leaders. Amazingly some of these mediocre minds have infiltrated a few positions of leadership in this town, fooling some of the people into thinking they are something that they are really not - leaders who care about the right things.

You also have some of these individuals who live in the city who deep down could care less about doing the right thing, and again there are many examples. The real problem is not where they live, or how much tax they have or haven't paid - it's the individual's character, or lack of.

I hate to say it, but to be honest, you are 100% right. The examples, which everyone really knows but are too chicken to do anything about, are the reason we are not reaching our potential as a community.

Date: Jun 18, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Amazingly some of these mediocre minds have infiltrated a few positions of leadership in this town, fooling some of the people into thinking they are something that they are really not - leaders who care about the right things.

You also have some of these individuals who live in the city who deep down could care less about doing the right thing, and again there are many examples. The real problem is not where they live, or how much tax they have or haven't paid - it's the individual's character, or lack of.

You also have some individuals who live out of the city but are obsessed with trying to manage the mayor, commissioners, boards and committees. You can spot individuals like this from far away. They repeatedly talk about their own past accomplishments.

Date: Jun 18, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

You also have some individuals who live out of the city but are obsessed with trying to manage the mayor, commissioners, boards and committees. You can spot individuals like this from far away. They repeatedly talk about their own past accomplishments.

I know people like that in and out of the city, and if they moved, it wouldn't make them different people, just a different address. All I care about is who is best qualified for certain projects, and who will do the best job for the community, period. If the best man or woman lives in Tattersall, then so be it. If the best man or woman lives on Kentucky Street, then so be it. But I won't take someone with less experience, drive, passion, ability and morals just because they live on Kentucky street. That is ridiculas, and the way they did things in the 1800's. This is 2007. I'd also rather rely on someone who can speak of real accomplishments and experiences and utilize them in helping me, my family and my city rather than someone who is inexperienced and wants to portray themselves as something they are not. I'd rather rely on fact than fiction.

Also, I don't get the feeling after 6 months in office that this mayor can be controled like the last one, nor can most of these commissioners.

Date: Jun 18, 2007

If the best man or woman lives in Tattersall, then so be it. If the best man or woman lives on Kentucky Street, then so be it.

MMMMMM----How about if the Best Man or Woman lives in London? What Moral Code do you plan to use to Flush this Best Person out? How about if they live in Knoxville, Jellico Creek, Whitley City?? What's that Criteria your going to use?

That's a Nice Theory in principal but unfortunaley no criteria exisits to Create this Utopia, this is where the City has to create Guidelines, very similar to the ability to run for Mayor or City Commisioner, you just can not handle city Funds and live in the City, it is just Impossible to handle and a Massive Conflict of Interest.

The Local Tax payers are Responsible for everything that Unfolds within the City Limits, not the best man or woman but the The Corbin City Tax Payer, during both good times & bad.

Date: Jun 18, 2007

You keep throwing this conflict of interest nonsense around, like if someone lives in the city there would be absolutely zero conflict of interest. I think that theory has been proven wrong numerous times over the years.

Lets say you have $100,000 to spend on sidewalk repair. Who is more likely to be non-biased and allocate the funds to the appropriate city streets? A committee member who lives in the city and can increase the value of his, hers of their parents property with new sidewalks, or someone who lives a mile outside the city and has nothing personally to gain? How would someone from Tattersall utilize their non-city address to benefit?

Your conflict of interest argument doesn't hold water, and you also seem to think that just because someone lives a mile in the city, or was annexed 6 months ago, that they are automatically granted Sainthood status.

Your comparison of London to Tattersall isn't even worth replying to. So where do you draw the line? Someone who has lived in the city for 6 months and has experience and knowledge, or someone that has lived in the city and paid taxes for 20 years but brings no expertise to the table?

Your little Utopia lacks any sense of reality. While I think city residents should be involved if qualified and if they want to be, I'll take expertise and experience from the burbs over a city address and no tangibles any day of the week.

Date: Jun 18, 2007

I'll chime in here on both your arguments. I'm not either of the posts before.
I would rather take experience and expertise in the City of Corbin rather than Your "BURBs". They are plenty of Talented folks to be found.

To previous poster, you are looking with a blind eye for those folks. These are the individuals that are in the City. You definitely do not reside in the City from your comments.

Seems as though these same Outside the City Board members never talk about growth through Annexation! Do you ever here Estep,Curry,Others talk about possible Annexation???? NO. Why is this ? Because the majority can run the City Boards, handle City Tax payer Money, and don't have to bother with helping the City of Corbin out by paying personal Property taxes that can generate income for the City.Oh NO,NO No,Not us.

This Is Corbin,KY major problem. You just said it in your last post.
TO MANY BURBS and not enough CITY FOLK runnin the Town Buisness.

Date: Jun 19, 2007

The only obvious thing is that I live in the city but have many, many good friends and meighbors who live just beyond the city line that offer great experience and care greatly about Corbin. My point isn't that one person is any better than the other, it is that we need good people who care about the right things no matter where they live. If they live in the city, great. If they live in Tattersall, great. A few of the previous posts make it sound like if someone lives beyond the city limits that they all somehow have suspicious motives and not welcome to offer their help to the city, when in reality we should be greatful for their help. I know if I had an educational project and Ed McNeil offered to help, I wouldn't refuse his generosity because he lived beyond the city line. If I had a business project, I would ask Bob Terrell because he offers a great global business background and cares about our area more than anyone. If I needed legal help on a project I wouldn't refuse Bob Hammonds generosity and expertise because he built a ranch outside of town - where can you build a ranch in town?

The city paid a company $40,000 for consulting work on the new expo center. These people were paid for their expertise and offered their opinions on spending millions of tax payer dollars - did they live in Corbin? Why did we ask for their help? Because they offered an knowledge and experience that we needed to hopefully help our city grow.

You have some great people who are willing to help but you seem to want to run them off - it sounds more like a control issue than a whats best for Corbin issue. I think we need good people from wherever they live if they bring something to the table, have the city's best interest at heart and will help Corbin suceed as a city.

There are many great people who live in the city, but we also need our brothers and neighbors who care about our community and are willing to donate their time and expertise.

Date: Jun 19, 2007

The entire conversation over the last 10 posts is ridiculous. Under some people's logic of residency and taxes, they are making an argument to which the person who pays the most city taxes should have some say so as to how the town is run.

How about a good old fashion grass roots campaign that starts with the people. It seems as if Ms. Myers is frustrated and upset that some of her ideas were not accepted by certain boards. I can guarantee you that she is going to get twice as much opposition to change and new ideas than support.

The solution: Go door to door downtown and get local merchants and landlords to support her idea in funds and publicity. I would wager that if she came to a tourism board meeting or city council meeting with 20 downtown merchants who support the train idea, then she would get some support from those entities. To me, it looks like she is on her own with these "great" ideas, and honestly, who is going to listen to her. As I recall, her job description is one that is suppose to generate coordination and enthusaism in downtown merchants and the community. This starts with selling your ideas to the townsfolk and get them to publically support the idea.

I will guarantee you that if Ms. Myers went to the Tourism board with Dave Huff, Terry or Marion Forcht, and even a handfull of others, then the board would not be so quick to brush her aside. And honestly, if she can't get public support, the boards should not even consider funding any such ideas.

One of the huge problems in Corbin is that there is nobody who organizes people to be heard as one large voice. Not in elections, downtown revitalization, politics, progress, or anything. These local officials shouldn't spend any money on anything unless a significant number of residents support it publicly- that's responsible politics.

A lot of posters here seem to dislike Corbinites who live outside the city. They should take the example of the south Laurel community. When talks of Corbin annexing into South Laurel came up, those people organized fish frys, campaign propoganda, public meetings, etc., etc... They didn't just blog about it all day long, they got together and made their voices heard. That's what I call PASSION. Until some Corbinites get PASSION, they won't get anything accomplished.

However, they can come to this web site and spout off on how their local officials live outside the city, hate city residents, blah, blah, blah. And in the meantime, nothing will get done. Ms. Myers has a huge challenge on her hands to organize a community that has been unorganized for decades. Good luck to her.

Date: Jun 19, 2007

I agree with the last two posts. You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world and it's ideas. Just because someone lives in the Tatersall area doesn't mean they can't help us and our city - it is ridiculous. Undermining people trying to help the community for the sake of power and control is not helping the community.

I also know Ms. Myers has the support of most if not all of the downtown businesses. A meeting of all Main Street businesses would be great, and I think some interesting thoughts would be voiced.

Date: Jun 20, 2007

Your little Utopia lacks any sense of reality. While I think city residents should be involved if qualified and if they want to be, I'll take expertise and experience from the burbs over a city address and no tangibles any day of the week.

The Reality here Pal is the Outside the City Limits Gang are the one's who sidetracked the Funding project, this Gang again has no Responsibility Or Accountability for anything that the city has or is responsible for paying.

The Utopia comment was geared towards the post that is looking for the best person, that's sometimes a matter of opinion and can be debated deeply, I simply ask What Criteria you would use to establish this? I clearly see your response is the Plan you just Ignored but gave only a General Statement once again claiming all these people who are qualified but yet live outside the city.

One more time, list the Criteria, Justify it with Facts & Data to show the people of Corbin they will protect their investment in the city as they are the Ultimate Customer here and are accountable for ANY City Issue that may be created or accidentally come up. The Tax Payer of Corbin is the Responsible & Accountable party.

Does that mean the City can not use Outside Contractors, of course not , we have used these folks for years and always will. Once again, when Tax Payer or Taxed Funds are being deployed, it is always cleaner to have the Ultimate Responsibility Rest with the City Itself, Right or wrong there can be no finger pointing then.

The Gang that Voted this down ALL live Outside the City but make their living in Corbin, I'll bet some of their relatives or Kids even go to the Local Schools, I'll bet you shop in the City, I can go on and on. Some may even be former Commisioners, Mayors or Elected officials, no problem, but if you want to control Tax Payer Funding, Move into the City on on this one!!!

Date: Jun 20, 2007

OPP'S F.Y.I. MRS MYERS DOES NOT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS

OOP's FYI Mrs Myers does not sit on the Tourism Board and does not make decisions as how to deploy Taxed Revenues?

Good Try, Hopefully the Money Spent on the Joan Jett Trash Train at Nibroc will make Butch Cassidy and Gang Happy, how in the world could they Invest into this chick and turn our New Director of Improvement away on her very first attempt to do something Positive?

Date: Jun 20, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

The only obvious thing is that I live in the city but have many, many good friends and meighbors who live just beyond the city line that offer great experience and care greatly about Corbin. My point isn't that one person is any better than the other, it is that we need good people who care about the right things no matter where they live. If they live in the city, great. If they live in Tattersall, great. A few of the previous posts make it sound like if someone lives beyond the city limits that they all somehow have suspicious motives and not welcome to offer their help to the city, when in reality we should be greatful for their help. I know if I had an educational project and Ed McNeil offered to help, I wouldn't refuse his generosity because he lived beyond the city line. If I had a business project, I would ask Bob Terrell because he offers a great global business background and cares about our area more than anyone. If I needed legal help on a project I wouldn't refuse Bob Hammonds generosity and expertise because he built a ranch outside of town - where can you build a ranch in town?

The city paid a company $40,000 for consulting work on the new expo center. These people were paid for their expertise and offered their opinions on spending millions of tax payer dollars - did they live in Corbin? Why did we ask for their help? Because they offered an knowledge and experience that we needed to hopefully help our city grow.

You have some great people who are willing to help but you seem to want to run them off - it sounds more like a control issue than a whats best for Corbin issue. I think we need good people from wherever they live if they bring something to the table, have the city's best interest at heart and will help Corbin suceed as a city.

There are many great people who live in the city, but we also need our brothers and neighbors who care about our community and are willing to donate their time and expertise.

I agree with this person - there are great minds we should utilize in Corbin, in our surrounding areas and beyond. If we want to improve we must listen to those who have experience in that particular area that we are trying to either catch up in or excel in. Bill Hoover, Terry Forcht, Bob Terrell, Dave Huff - who cares where they live, I want their help if they are willing to help. Some people in our city would be great on many projects, but some projects we NEED outside help. Main Street is a great example. Who would know better about revitalizing a downtown that has been dead for 25 years - someone who has lived in Corbin and it's dead downtown, or someone who brings fresh ideas and has lived in a vibrant downtown? Come on, think people. It depends on the project and whose experience and expertise will help our city the most, not how much tax they have paid.

Date: Jun 21, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with the last two posts. You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world and it's ideas. Just because someone lives in the Tatersall area doesn't mean they can't help us and our city - it is ridiculous. Undermining people trying to help the community for the sake of power and control is not helping the community.

I also know Ms. Myers has the support of most if not all of the downtown businesses. A meeting of all Main Street businesses would be great, and I think some interesting thoughts would be voiced.

Did any of these folks accompany her to the Tourism meeting where she asked for the money for the trains? Did any of them sign a letter of support that she could show to the Tourism board? She needs to start "proving" her support and getting these people so excited about the project, they publically and actively support her.

She needs to be politically savvy about her approach- Think GRASS ROOTS EFFORT and PUBLIC OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT- A newspaper may even want to print some stories about such things???

Date: Jun 22, 2007

Response to Esteps UGLY Newspaper Article!

1.This website, if this is the one he is refering too, did not cast the last vote to stop Progress for the City of Corbin. Don Estep was the one who cast the vote, Don't blame the website!

2. Estep claims in his article through slick Double talk that he doen't like to use Anonymous Sources???? Ok Don, why did you not identify the Website you were reffering to? you left it Anonymous to your readers!!

3. Estep claims he spent time talking with a so called state worker official and a so called Economic person. Again, he leaves these persons as Anonymous sources without naming who these folks are????? Why? Oh, I thought Don just about two paragraphs into your article you were condemning the USE of Anonymous sources????????

4. Esteps article if full Smoke and Mirrors. This is the kind of Double Talk your getting from the Chairman of the Tourism. On one hand Condeming the use of anonymous sources, then in his same Raging article, Keeping the Website he is reffering to Anonymous as well as his two person sources he used.Give us those names Don?

5.Estep is correct on one point. He has not lived in the city of Corbin for Thirty years and has payed no City Taxes!

6.As for the Derogatory remark toward a local church. The only one I can remember was the one made by your newspaper writer and his SNIDE remark about one of our fine churches changing there name.

7.Samantha Swindlers article had FACTS!.The 110,00 Dollars setting around. Over 300,000 in Rest Tax money floating around.And the fact that you and some of your cronies have done nothing to clean up Downtown.
Esteps article was a Temper Tantrum filled with Cherry Smoke.

Date: Jun 23, 2007

The Last Poster is exactly correct and only touched the Tip of the Iceburg as Estep's Ugly Editorial hurt the News Journal and all the citizens of Corbin this week.

It reminds me of a small child and temper tandrum but at the cost to the Corbin Tax Payers! Wonder why Estep did not name the State Official(s) that he told him this site could damage Industry in Corbin? I'll venture or Guess to say there is no Official and if their was Estep would have followed his own rules of not Quoting Annonymous sources, he can prove us wrong by publishing the names.

Tell us the names? I expect to read this in his column next week?? The last poster is right also and I too agree with Estep when he says he has not lived in the city for 30 Years, Poor guy just forgot to tell us that he has not paid any Tax's to the city during this time.

I fell bad for Don as the poor guy can not seem to find a suitable residence in Corbin over the last 30 Years to move into the city, maybe the homes Guide Books could help him, ya know the ones in the Rack in front of the News Journal Office?

There are some great points on this web site that talk about many great issues, and some super ideas on how to improve and move Corbin forward, the only thing that should be shut down is Estep's Wild West Column in the News Journal, maybe it's time for the Owners of the News Journal to retire Estep and put him in charge of Outside Of the City Security so he can watch for the Joker, Penguin and Riddler trying to Infiltrate Corbin From london!!

Date: Jun 24, 2007

I like Don but this week's column does seem a bit on the childish side. Don cast the deciding "No" vote on the downtown art project and has caught heat over it since. Don doesn't like to be told he is wrong about anything, and when someone disagrees with him this is how he usually responds - just like Don blasting the competing newspaper and their Editor several weeks back.

To state that a company would not choose Corbin because of a messege on a messege board is, well, crazy. It is like saying an athlete wouldn't pick a city or team because a couple of fans blasted him on the team's website. I doubt that anyone really said this, or anyone with any knowledge of economic developmnent. It actually sounds like a drummed up comment given to Don from someone behind the sceens who wants to divert blame from themselves.

If Don wanted to be constructive he would talk about real issues Corbin faces in bringing industry into our area, such as the aggressiveness of competing cities and a lack of aggressiveness by Corbin and Whitley/Knox Counties, delays in the spec building for regional business park, nearly lost and construction delayed for months because Corbin sat on paperwork and nearly lost the state funding to Barbourville, trashy residentual and business properties scattered around the area that need to be cleaned up, etc.

Date: Jun 27, 2007

Response to Don Esteps's Ugly News Journal Column:

I read this column today hoping to see some fence mending by the Editor of the News Journal, but once again an Ego the size of China would prevail with more silly babbling & damage to the City Of Corbin:

I like how Estep once again turned to an "Outside The City Limits" gang member to agree with all of his points, probably a good guy but unfortunatley and like Estep pays Florida Tax's and is no Benefit to the city at all, other than an Out Of State Opinion of course.

As predicted on this very site Estep does not name his SECRET State Official who Claimed this Site was damaging Industry Recruitment, maybe this official does not even exisit? If he or she did Don would have published their name and not used them as an annonymous source.

We all call on the Editor to name this SECRET State Source who made this statement or apologize to the citizens of Corbin for Publishing such poor statements and Poor Judgement as the Chairman of the Tourism Board. Our Chairman Of The Board should have higher Standards than what we have read in the News Journal over the last Month.

If this is Standard Operating Procedures from Estep and how he handles Business within our Local Board imagine how difficult it will be for him to negotiate with Outside Business people who will surely be tough in their bid to get the best deal to visit, locate and spend money within our Area.

Time has past here Don, step aside if he really claim you believe in the best interest of the city.

Date: Jun 28, 2007

I do find it amusing that Mr. Estep talks about the one person that agrees with him - from Tampa, Florida of all places - because the dozens of people I talked to at work, at church and just around Corbin, all of them think Don has no clue what he is talking about. It is also amusing how selective Don is in the letters he choses to use each week, as I sent a letter disagreeing with last week's commentary to the News Journal - as I know others did last week and previous weeks - that will never be printed.

Estep, Rick Curry and the other board members that voted the Main Street art project down have not only hurt Corbin, they hurt their reputations also.

While a newspaper is supposed to be about news, the New Journal is becoming an political opinion messege board for it's editor and a bit of a joke. The NJ's week old news act is getting even older, and they need to make some changes to keep my attention.

Date: Jun 28, 2007

cry cry Estep trying to Candy Coat news Column!!! Again, this week Don Estep, the one that cast the Final Vote to Stop Progress for Downtown Corbin makes a fool of himself in news article.

Estep can't make up his mind if he is for using Anonymous sources or is against. I agree with the last posters. Estep needs to tell us all who these Anonymous State officials are. Do they exist??

Seems to me Estep wants his way or no way! Estep regularly makes Pot shots at the Times Tribune Staff. It is evident that Estep is very Jealous of his competition by making these Cheap shots. I just wonder if he did not Cast the final vote to stop the Art Project because the Times Tribunes Editor is on that specific Commitee??

Again, Estep had no good excuses to shoot down this project. Estep claiming painting,shudders,awnings????? Give me a break! Why has he and his friends done nothing about these things if they were the biggest problems??

The Corbin City Comission better Wake Up and get some Backbone because Estep's Ugly Articles are making Corbin look Bad.

Date: Jun 29, 2007

I didn't know the News Journal had a comics section or that the editor was a comedic writer. Go back week after week and you can get a good laugh.

Corporations select locations for businness operations for several reasons - location, real estate costs, available transportation and related costs, quality of available workforce, both state and local incentives, desirable area for employees to live, etc.

We have expanded three of our operations in 2 states, and we never used a messege on a messege board, or an editorial in the local newspaper for that matter, to make our decision. If someone actually said that, which I doubt, they don't know anything about business - you would have to be a pretty poor business leader to base your expansion decisions on a messege board comment. Pretty funny thought though.

As far as the anonymous issue, why should a name matter? You can judge the validity of someones opinion whether you know their name or not, and the way a few people work in this town, like this newspaper, you'll be blackballed or become a target if you do expose youself and your opinions. Shut this website down? Then shut down several hundred talk-radio stations and several thousand other websites - anyone can use a fake name or screen name. Get used to it Mr. Estep, weekly newspapers like yours will be gone in 5 years or so. Mr. Forcht should sell it now while it has a little value.

Date: Jun 30, 2007

Mr. Estep's editorial in which he dressed down the President of Harley-Davidson and whined about London-Laurel County working hard to get the project in their area was sickening. And then he follows that up by condemning a website that affords people in our area a chance to express their opinions and ideas. Mr. Estep cherry picks the letters to the editor he wants to publish, and on the website any of us can speak up. As a journalist he should be a strong advocate for freedom of speech. He likes to criticize others, but he does not want anyone to disagree with him. The Times Tribune has the momentum. That's why he has taken so many opportunities to cut them down. His popularity has sunk to a new low, and he has been a real flip-flopper. He said he wanted to see the records on how NIBROC spent the money the Tourism Commission had donated to them, and I understand when it came time to be firm he flipped and flopped.

Date: Jul 1, 2007

I don't live in Corbin but I like this website very much. I notice in the past year this website has had over 2,000 different postings. If the News Journal has two each issue for 52 weeks they have only 104 in a year. If the Tribune has 12 each week for 52 weeks that adds up to 624 a year. This website has double the postings of the two newspapers combined. That is freedom of speech. People in London recognize that at times London and Corbin will compete to attract business to our area. I agree that the newspapers don't need to whine about it. Let's just hope both communities do well in attracting industry.

This is a competitive world we live in, and our area must be able to compete with purpose and strong effort. We can blame ourselves if we don't succeed.

Date: Jul 2, 2007

Wow!

These last few Posters have really been excellent in their Summaries of Estep's Babbling Blunder the Last few weeks in the News Journal.

I would However like him to Reveal his SECRET State Source who he claims told him Corbin Industry would be hure by Postings on a Web-Site? I do not believe there is any source, and if their was he would have listed their name.

Again----List your Secret (Phony) Source in your Column or your Statement must be "Made Up", Is it?

Date: Jul 2, 2007

Mr. Estep said he never looks at this website and that is apparent. He doesn't even realize all the subjects and information this website provides. The Forum is just one section of it, and the Tourism Chairman should be aware of the website that provides the best Tourism information in this region of Kentucky.

I agree, his whiney editorial about London-Laurel County still trying to get Harley-Davidson in their community instead of ours, and his editorial ripping this website should earn him the Worst of the Worst Awards for this year.

Date: Jul 5, 2007

More to come Shortly as we Investigate Esteps Secret State Industry Source and dig into some of these Boards and their business dealings.

It Looks like our Gang of Outsiders is actually Higher than we thought, new gang members to Identified later.

Wonder where our Mayor stands on this Issue? Is he for or against this type activity?

Date: Jul 5, 2007

While I agree that the Main Street project should have been approved and Mr. Estep, Curry, Tipton and Patil dropped the ball, this "Outsiders" mentality is detrimental to our area. We need ideas and input from people who have experience that we don't on some projests and issues. We have a lot of great people in the city limits, but there are issues that as a city we need help from "Outsiders" because we just don't have experience at it.

A great example would be Corpus Christi, Texas. A coastal city, it has never been successful at turning itself into a first-class resort town. Well, who should they get help from to turn their town around? People that have lived in the city for 30 years, or someone from San Diego, Myrtle Beach, Ft. Lauderdale, or other successful costal resort town? It's not a knock on the people of Corpus Christi, but you know, we all don't know it all (even though there are some people who like to fake their way through it).

Would Mr. Estep have voted differently if he lived three miles east in the city limits? No. His vote, along with Curry's, was political, and if both lived in Main Street condos it wouldn't have mattered. The "Outsider" part of it really had nothing to do with it.

It is obvious that Mr. Estep has never looked at this website other than a couple of messeges that someone with their usual motives printed and handed to him. It is not theirs and is not under their control, so they want it to fail - just like the Main Street Program. If Don had looked closer and thought about it a little further, he would have told this person what to do with his printouts. We don't have room here for people who try to create problems for others that are trying to do an honest job like Sherae Myers, whether they live in the city or outside.

Some people can't seem prove themselves based on their abilities, knowledge and hard work, so they are always worrying about the other guy or gal and what they are doing that they can't do, and credit that the other person or group might receive that they won't. To boost themselves they have to minipulate, plot, threaten and screw with people to advance in life. If these people would just do the the jobs they are paid to do and quit worrying about being one-upped, we would all be much better off.

Pretty sad, and we need to quit letting ourselves get bullied around by these few people.