You're still here, in spite of the weekly wanting it taken down......

wkugirl · Senior Member

You're still here, in spite of the weekly wanting it taken down......

Date: Sep 19, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

wkugirl wrote:

I don't think this website is all about criticism of all of our leaders. I think we all understand that we do have several good leaders in Corbin, but alot of them are intimidated by the powers that be. This website IS about the people of Corbin being able to voice their concerns about our dissatisfaction with the way some things in Corbin are going, and have gone for years. We want positive leaders out there working to bring jobs into Corbin, and supporting smart ideas, instead of knocking people down, and ruling by their egos rather than what's best for the area. And, if you haven't read any good suggestions on this forum, then obviously you haven't read much of it.

I think the people who see this website as a negative are only those who do not support positive change in Corbin. Of course constructive criticism and communication are our only ways to making things better. But our leaders have to be open to opinions and ideas. And their adversion to this website shows, they don't want to hear opinions or differing ideas.

You confuse me. Aren't the current leaders the powers that be? Why would they be afraid of themselves? If I'm wrong, then enlighten me as to who exactly the powers to be are. Name some names. Otherwise you are just blowing a lot of smoke.

I can just tell you right now that you are in a huge minority if you are upset with the current political leadership in corbin. Most people are satisfied with the progress. Since you air most of your complaints here, I assume you are probably not someone the leaders deem worthy of listening to for one reason or another.

I don't believe it takes much to confuse you. You assume a great deal and you have no idea what the true facts are. You are paranoid, You are on the side of the losers on this debate.

This is a great website, but you can't even understand it. I doubt you have ever looked at all the information on this website. There are many positive suggestions and ideas among the huge number of topics on this message board. Even though I disagree with you, I notice you use it to present your ideas. Isn't that inconsistent to criticize a communications system, and then use it to criticize others?

Date: Sep 19, 2007

Who are the "powers that be"?

Tell us wkugirl.

Date: Sep 22, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Who are the "powers that be"?

Tell us wkugirl.

I don't think she knows. Maybe she's one of them.

Date: Sep 25, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Who are the "powers that be"?

Tell us wkugirl.

I don't think she knows. Maybe she's one of them.

THIS MESSAGE BOARD HAS PASSED THE 4,600 POSTING MARK. CONGRATULAIONS. I BELIEVE I STARTED WATCHING THIS MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT A YEAR AGO. IF THE NEWS JOURNAL HAS THREE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR A WEEK THAT WOULD BE 156 PER YEAR. IN TEN YEARS THAT WOULD BE 1,560. IN 30 YEARS THE NEWS JOURNAL WOULD HAVE JUST OVER 4,600. THAT'S WHY I LIKE THIS MESSAGE BOARD. EVEN THE LOWLIEST OF US HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK UP. IN 30 YEARS THIS MESSAGE BOARD WOULD HAVE RECEIVED 138,000 IF IT STAYS AT THIS RATE. HOWEVER, THE NUMBER OF MESSAGES SEEM TO BE INCREASING EVERY MONTH. JEALOUSY IS WHY THE TERRELLS GET RIPPED. J E A L O U S Y.

Date: Sep 25, 2007

"The powers that be", can't you just look at the various boards makeup and tell what that is? Take a good look, go to the thread on who are on the boards, and look at the names. Except for one lady that is not on the industrial board now, look at them. Over half of them are connected with one person in various ways.

About the only people that aren't part of the "powers that be" is the mayor, Shelton, and Lynch. The rest are part of the "good ol boys" part of the powers that be.

Date: Sep 25, 2007

Who exactly do you have a problem with?

The only family of officials that I see on those committees are Cheryl Ellis, Missy Shelton and Steve McBurney. Two of them are the ones that you say are not "powers that be" and aren't Lynch and Perkins connected somehow? Perkins is paid by the Tourism Commission.

Get your facts straight.

Date: Sep 25, 2007

Who is Perkins?

Date: Oct 1, 2007

I have observed that since your website was ripped by the News Journal the numbers of posts and numbers of persons viewing your website has climbed even higher. The engineer bridge is an example of attention that can be brought to an issue and I credit your website message board in helping focus attention on that subject. Keep up the good work.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Some people in another city want you to contact them, or they can contact you about setting up a website for their community which would include a message board. They follow this website.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
The engineer bridge is an example of attention that can be brought to an issue and I credit your website message board in helping focus attention on that subject. Keep up the good work.

I am one of the "powers that be" and I am responsible for the engineer street bridge being fixed. please do not give credit to anyone on this board, or the city commission.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Who are you, so we can thank you. Surely if you are responsible, you would sign your name, so proper credit could be given.

Date: Oct 1, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The engineer bridge is an example of attention that can be brought to an issue and I credit your website message board in helping focus attention on that subject. Keep up the good work.

I am one of the "powers that be" and I am responsible for the engineer street bridge being fixed. please do not give credit to anyone on this board, or the city commission.

It is great to know that one of the "powers to be" is a fan of this message board. Thanks for keeping up with the opinions of the people. And also thanks to Suzy Razmus.

Date: Oct 2, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

"The powers that be", can't you just look at the various boards makeup and tell what that is? Take a good look, go to the thread on who are on the boards, and look at the names. Except for one lady that is not on the industrial board now, look at them. Over half of them are connected with one person in various ways.

About the only people that aren't part of the "powers that be" is the mayor, Shelton, and Lynch. The rest are part of the "good ol boys" part of the powers that be.

I'm confused. So are McBurney Shelton and Lynch "good ol boys" since they aren't "powers that be?" Am I a "power that be" since I'm not Shelton, McBurney or Lynch? Are you? I guess there are a lot of "powers that be" out there!

Date: Oct 2, 2007

Good point to the last "powers that be". I am a "powers that be" also, and you must be the one on the "right side of the fence", as I am on the "left side of the fence". Which side is which?

Thanks to you, "right side powers that be", for making this board great, and for encouraging people to log on and view it many times daily. You are making us the talk of the town.

The boards views increase daily, and even Estep would love to have the publicity that this board generates.

Thanks again.

Date: Oct 3, 2007

I wasn't involved with the Engineer Street bridge improvements, the city is who deserves the credit. I want to thank everyone involved for making it look great, and I can't wait to use it!

Suzie Razmus

Date: Oct 3, 2007

This is my first visit to this site, and quite frankly, I think it's a wonderful forum. I grew up in Corbin and I'm still proud to call that city home. As to message boards, well, isn't it about time that Corbin citizens,...and those who have moved but still love,...have an open forum to discuss anything and everything? My grandfather once told me if folks weren't complaining about you, then you probably weren't doing anything worth commenting on. Well, Corbin having an amazing website and a forum where everyone can express their views is definitely worth commenting on. Don't you dare take down this site! Mr. Estep, who I remember fondly, can certainly take any heat he gets on this site,...and if he's still the man he used to be, he'll become an avid reader and start making some of the great ideas that Corbin folk present here a reality. In fact, I plan on calling all my old friends back home and getting them interested in this web site. Sorry if that gets the dander up of whoever is writing this, but the best way to get the best ideas,...even if they come at you in a negative way,...is to listen to the people. That's the "real" American Way,...we, the people using our voices to inspire, change and grow!

Date: Oct 4, 2007

Thank you for your comments. Maybe you could get some of your friends to call the board administrator and ask him to stop banning IP addresses of people that disagree with him and his father. He is claiming that since some of them use a proxy server that they must be banned from the message board when in reality a proxy server only keeps him from tracking their identity like he does all of the other posters. This is a cheap trick to hold down opposing points of view.

Your IP has been banned by the administrator of this forum. You are not permited to comment.

wkugirl · Senior Member

Then explain to my obviously very simple mind how your posts are on here. If you are banned, then why are we still reading your posts. Maybe I'm missing something here.....

Date: Oct 4, 2007

I don't know if you are simple minded or not wkugirl, I hope not since your post info indicates that you are a Senior Member of this board. That evaluation might best be left to you unless of course you really are simple minded as you say.

The board administrator does try to make it hard to post for anyone who has posted comments in the past that were not to his liking and he uses the proxy server excuse to try to justify his cowardly actions.

He wants to be able to track the people who use this board and for Yes Men and Yes Women that does not appear to matter. As soon as a post is made that he thinks might counter his position on an issue he, or one of his appointed administrators, bans that IP address from any future posting.

I won't get into the details since that would be like doing his homework for him but his efforts are no more successful than if he were trying to remove every grain of sand one by one from a beach.

The many who have choosen to use proxy servers for this board are able to post any time they choose but just from an IP address that he has not yet banned.

Your IP has been banned by the administrator of this forum. You are not permited to comment.

Angela B · Senior Member

I've read up on this open proxy or TOR network, and I can understand why many websites are starting to ban these users. Also, I am on here many times during the day and I don't see any messages being removed as you claim, and your messages have no bearing to most topics anyway. I hope they keep banning you, or begin to require everyone to register. All you are trying to do is disrupt.

Here is a story I read on Linux.com.

Linux.com

Tor: Freedom for whom?

By David Graham

Tor is a system designed to anonymise Internet connections for users concerned about their privacy. It's free, it's simple, it's effective -- and it facilitates troublemaking.

Proponents of Tor recommend reading renowned security expert Bruce Schneier's article on the value of privacy. Schneier makes a compelling argument in favor of the value of privacy. But use of Tor isn't just about privacy.

There are, fundamentally, two forms of freedom. There is the freedom "to," and the freedom "from." There is also the balance of freedoms: how one person's freedoms affect another's. Services like Tor address both the freedom "to" and the freedom "from," but deprive others of both freedom "to" and freedom "from."

Tor works by routing a user's Internet connection through a long and wholly undocumented and unlogged list of participating hosts. Theoretically, it is impossible to trace a connection back to its origin through this system. With the lack of logging, the only practical way is to monitor participating hosts and try and figure out who is doing what. The result is that anyone who uses Tor is anonymous to anyone whose services he is using. This provides the Tor user the freedom to privacy, and complete freedom from being identified.

This also takes away service providers' freedom to monitor access, and the freedom from abuse.

Bruce Schneier's argument, as twisted by Tor users, would appear to be that it is not a provider's right to know who is using its services. Tor users worry that providers are in a position of power, and power corrupts. The logic employed -- that if a provider knows who is using its services it will use that information for nefarious purposes -- is no more sensible than assuming that someone who is using a privacy service like Tor is necessarily doing so to facilitate trouble-making.

My fundamental problem with Tor is connected to my experience as an IRC operator. On IRC networks, Tor prevents freedom from abuse. If a hundred people use Tor, and one of them abuses his privileges on a provider's network, the only alternative for a provider (other than allowing the abuse to continue) is to block all 100 users, because there is no way to differentiate among them. Because blocking large groups of users often is not a practical solution, that one problematic user can continue being a problem without any limitations.

Privacy vs. freedom

Schneier states that the debate is wrongfully categorised as a debate between privacy and security. I agree -- it is not privacy versus security, it is privacy versus freedom. When one person's privacy restricts someone else's freedom, we have a problem.

In the real world, every country has a legal system with a set of rules by which everyone must live. If someone breaks one of those rules, a police force and judicial system exists to prevent them from continuing to do so. In some cases, the rules are unjust, but generally, rules are designed to protect the freedoms of others. Take the police force and judicial system out of the equation, and you end up with anarchy.

That's what Tor brings to the Internet. If everyone on the Internet used Tor, and no one could figure out where anyone was coming from anymore, the Internet would be a complete anarchy, even though most people would still attempt to continue their normal, honest behavior.

While IP-address-based restrictions may not be an ideal solution for managing services on the Internet, it is the best currently available. Tor in effect removes this system from the Internet.

Prior to Tor, similar problems existed through open proxies and hacked accounts, but these can be blocked, because there is no such thing as a legitimate user coming through these means.

Please understand, I'm not against the concept of privacy. What I am against is the concept of total anonymity. I would not object to Tor, or any other anonymising service, if it provided a way of uniquely identifying users. I don't care if connections can be traced back to actual end users, just that they can be managed separately. But making end users identifiable is contrary to the stated objectives of Tor.

Are there practical solutions? Yes. The simplest solution would be to require registration of Tor users, and have service providers implement a system to check users' registration status. Though it wouldn't eliminate problems, it could reduce them and make them more manageable. Unfortunately, it would remove the very anonymity Tor seeks to create.

Is there a way to balance the privacy of users with the propensity for bad apples to destroy the crop? If so, what is it?

Date: Oct 4, 2007

Angela and wkugirl posted two excellent messages. There is a discipline and rules we all must follow. The Administrator is seeking to provide a means for us to communicate our ideas and thoughts with a few simple rules for all of us to follow. That does not restrict free speech. The banned poster seeks to go around the rules. Thanks to Angela and wkugirl for your wise posts.

Date: Oct 4, 2007

The bottom line, it's his board, and we play by his rules. You don't like it, get off and find another one.

The "Banned IP" guy just brings us closer to all users registering a user name, and I'm all for that. I don't do it because we don't have to, so, if we have to, then I'll register.

The guy is hiding something, or else he wouldn't be using that program. Could be he's a prominent citizen, wanting to hide and watch. It could be Ol Bruce or Don themselves, or even a few others that don't want us to know they read and post here.

Either way, the more you rag the administrator, he'll find a program to counter it, or save himself some time, money, and headaches and make us all register.

SO, that's about it as far as I can see.

wkugirl · Senior Member

Mr. "Banned IP",
You must have a lot of time on your hands, and a very large interest in this message board to spend so much time trying to get around the rules. So, start your own board and post all of the negative things you want to post. Since you know so much about all of these things, it shouldn't be hard for you to do.

Date: Oct 5, 2007

This is sorta strange, I don't have a Dog in this fight but just a thought. The very folks that are saying they support Freedom Of Information (Bob & Bob Jr), and I think they are right and have did a Great Job with this Board, BUT, You can not have it both ways.

I thought this site was about Issues? What again does it matter what the IP address is?? Unless your trying track IP address's through Stat Counter or some or other Internet Tracking system. If someone makes a Post, breaks none of the rules, makes a good point, what does it matter if it came from China or here in Corbin.

Now if anyone regardless of IP address is abusing the rules, using profanity, then the Administrater should remove the Post regardless of where the IP is located, right??? But it should not be banned for using a proxy, unless again your worried more about the "Who" than the Issue and Free Debate?

You can't just want to say freedom on one hand and let me track IP address's on the other hand, if your so interested in who everyone is then make them sign their name but this gets back to what I think Bob Jr's original intent was and what made this site so successful in the first place, the ability to get your point & issue out there for debate.

Once again folks, respond to Issues, post solutions, post the current state and facts, post improvement plans and the road map to improvements, what's it matter where it came from???

Date: Oct 5, 2007

I agree with you. Let Banned IP and everyone else have the freedom to post on this board. There is no need to limit who is allowed to comment. Lets hear what they have to say on the issues.

LynnCamp68

Date: Oct 5, 2007

wkugirl wrote:

Mr. "Banned IP",
You must have a lot of time on your hands, and a very large interest in this message board to spend so much time trying to get around the rules. So, start your own board and post all of the negative things you want to post. Since you know so much about all of these things, it shouldn't be hard for you to do.

I am not this "Banned IP" that you are dressing down but I do have a lot of time on my hands. I was hurt at the sawmill and am going to need several weeks of physical therapy. I see no reason for anyone to get banned from any board. Maybe you have something to hide that would make you afraid of this "Banned IP". What difference does it make what IP address he or she is posting from or if he or she is posting from home, work, cafe or while on the john? Why are you always so insulting to other posters?