Why doesn't the TOURISM COMMITTEE put out something like these sites.

Date: Sep 2, 2007

RE: Why doesn't the TOURISM COMMITTEE put out something like these sites.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

You'd probably have to be sittng on a bar stool at the Depot to even have that point of view and there are only a few of you who sit there.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The main street manager works for the city of corbin and should take her direction from elected city officials and not personal friends who have their own agendas.

Her office is at City Hall and she does not take direction from the control freaks.

Believe it or not their are a number of control freaks. Depends on which way you look at it.

You have a point. If you're sitting on a bar stool at The Depot and look to the East, you have the Chamber office. If you look to the North, you have the editor' office at the News Journal. If you look South, you have a couple commissioners at city hall.

You're right, it depends on which way you look.

Yes you are getting it. Now their are still some other groups you are not including. Keep trying you will get it, unless you are one of those groups.
Keep looking around their are more. Try down Main Street some more.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

The poster 2 up is right on.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

Yep. A small group of blowhards.

Date: Sep 3, 2007

Yep. A small group of control freaks.

Date: Sep 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

None of these people would take on this project, and as Mayor McBurney, Nelda Barton, Bob Terrell and other community leaders have stated, Ms Myers is doing a great job and has their support. Those few that are fighting this would fight anyone else in the job that had ability and ideas that were not there own. Its sad.

How many of these "supporters" has went to a meeting with her and stood next to her voicing support for a project. Mayor McBurney has at least 1 appointed position to the Tourism board, can he use that capital to her advantage. I would wager Mrs. Barton can make some calls to call in some favors when she supports something. I think Mr. Terrell is on the outside with Ms. Meyers looking in, not sure how much help is there??

Having these folk's SAY they support her is not enough, they must use their influence to help her. If they are not willing to do that, then they don't really support her.

One poster is correct in saying that Corbin is not "Capital Hill" in political influence, I think it is much tougher than Capital Hill because of the apathy of its citizens. No significant number of people in Corbin really care to improve downtown Corbin. If they did, we would see visible improvements already, with or without Ms. Meyer's help.

Downtown merchants shouldn't need an organization to improve downtown, they should start 1 store at a time. I would be encouraged to see 3-4 downtown merchants go to every meeting with Ms. Meyers and put up posters, propoganda, etc., etc., in their stores and actively support her ideas. So far, I have seen zero. If they would support her as much as people on this web site do, she would be going places.

Date: Sep 4, 2007

The downtown people don't seem encouraged by this program. I walked the main street over the weekend and noticed we have several downtown businesses with planters not filed etc. They need to start with their own place of business before they critize others

Date: Sep 4, 2007

The support on this board may be by only a few people.

Date: Sep 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Yep. A small group of control freaks.

Dealing With Control Freaks
by Thomas J. Schumacher, Psy.D., R-CSW

Most all of you have had to contend with control freaks. These are those people who insist on having their way in all interactions with you. They wish to set the agenda and decide what it is you will do and when you will do it. You know who they are - they have a driving need to run the show and call the shots. Lurking within the fabric of the conversation is the clear threat that if you do not accede to their needs and demands, they will be unhappy.

Certainly, it's natural to want to be in control of your life. But when you have to be in control of the people around you as well, when you literally can't rest until you get your way ... you have a personality disorder. While it's not a diagnostic category found in the DSM IV (the therapist's bible for diagnostic purposes) an exaggerated emphasis on control is part of a cluster of behaviors that can be labeled as compulsive generally characterized by perfectionism, orderliness, workaholic tendencies, an inability to make commitments or to trust others and a fear of having their flaws exposed. Deep down, these people are terrified of being vulnerable. They believe they can protect themselves by staying in control of every aspect of their lives, including their relationships. Control freaks take the need and urge to control to new heights, causing others stress so they can maintain a sense of order. These people are riddled with anxiety, fear, insecurity, and anger. They're very critical of themselves their lover and their friends, but underneath that perfect outfit and great body is a mountain of unhappiness. Let's look at what makes control freaks tick, what makes you want to explode, and some ways to deal with them.

The Psychological Dynamics That Fuel a Control Freak

The need to control is almost always fueled by anxiety - though control freaks seldom recognize their fears. At work, they may worry about failure. In relationships, they may worry about not having their needs met. To keep this anxiety from overwhelming them, they try to control the people or things around them. They have a hard time with negotiation and compromise and they can't stand imperfection. Needless to say, they are difficult to live with, work with and/or socialize with.

Bottom Line: In the process of being controlling, their actions say, "You're incompetent" and "I can't trust you." (this is why you hate them). Remember, the essential need of a control freak is to defend against anxiety. Although it may not be apparent to you when they are making their demands, these individuals are attempting to cope with fairly substantial levels of their own anxiety. The control freak is usually fighting off a deep-seated sense of their own helplessness and impotence. By becoming proficient at trying to control other people, they are warding off their own fear of being out of control and helpless. Controlling is an anxiety management tool.

Unfortunately for you, the control freak has a lot at stake in prevailing. While trying to hold a conversation and engage them in some way, their emotional stakes involve their own identity and sense of well-being. Being in control gives them the temporary illusion and sense of calmness. When they feel they are prevailing, you can just about sense the tension oozing out of them. The control freak is very frightened. Part of their strategy is to induce that fear in you with the subtle or not so subtle threat of loss. Since the emotional stakes are so high for them, they need to assert themselves with you to not feel so helpless. To relinquish control is tantamount to being victimized and overwhelmed. When a control freak cannot control, they go through a series of rapid phases. First they become angry and agitated, then they become panicky and apprehensive, then they become agitated and threatening, and then they lapse into depression and despair.

Repetition Compulsion

Control freaks are also caught in the grip of a repetition compulsion. They repeat the same pattern again and again in their attempt to master their anxiety and cope with the trauma they feel. Characteristically, the repetition compulsion takes on a life of its own. Rather than feel calmer and therefore have a diminished need to be controlling, their behavior locks them into the same pattern in an insatiable way. Successes at controlling do not register on their internal scoreboard. They have to fight off the same threat again and again with increasing rigidity and intransigence.

Two Types of Control Freaks

Type 1 Control Freaks: The Type 1 control freak is strictly attempting to cope with their anxiety in a self absorbed way. They just want to feel better and are not even very aware of you. You will notice and hear their agitation and tentativeness. They usually do not make much eye contact when they are talking to you.

Type 2 Control Freaks: The Type 2 control freak is also trying to manage their anxiety but they are very aware of you as opposed to the Type 1 control freak. The Type 2 needs to diminish you to feel better. Their mood rises as they push you down. They do not just want to prevail; they also need to believe that they have defeated you. They need you to feel helpless so they will not feel helpless. Their belief is that someone must feel helpless in any interchange and they desperately do not want it to be them.

The Type 1 needs control. The Type 2 needs to control you.

Date: Sep 5, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yep. A small group of control freaks.

Dealing With Control Freaks
by Thomas J. Schumacher, Psy.D., R-CSW
Most all of you have had to contend with control freaks. These are those people who insist on having their way in all interactions with you. They wish to set the agenda and decide what it is you will do and when you will do it. You know who they are - they have a driving need to run the show and call the shots. Lurking within the fabric of the conversation is the clear threat that if you do not accede to their needs and demands, they will be unhappy.
Certainly, it's natural to want to be in control of your life. But when you have to be in control of the people around you as well, when you literally can't rest until you get your way ... you have a personality disorder. While it's not a diagnostic category found in the DSM IV (the therapist's bible for diagnostic purposes) an exaggerated emphasis on control is part of a cluster of behaviors that can be labeled as compulsive generally characterized by perfectionism, orderliness, workaholic tendencies, an inability to make commitments or to trust others and a fear of having their flaws exposed. Deep down, these people are terrified of being vulnerable. They believe they can protect themselves by staying in control of every aspect of their lives, including their relationships. Control freaks take the need and urge to control to new heights, causing others stress so they can maintain a sense of order. These people are riddled with anxiety, fear, insecurity, and anger. They're very critical of themselves their lover and their friends, but underneath that perfect outfit and great body is a mountain of unhappiness. Let's look at what makes control freaks tick, what makes you want to explode, and some ways to deal with them.
The Psychological Dynamics That Fuel a Control Freak
The need to control is almost always fueled by anxiety - though control freaks seldom recognize their fears. At work, they may worry about failure. In relationships, they may worry about not having their needs met. To keep this anxiety from overwhelming them, they try to control the people or things around them. They have a hard time with negotiation and compromise and they can't stand imperfection. Needless to say, they are difficult to live with, work with and/or socialize with.
Bottom Line: In the process of being controlling, their actions say, "You're incompetent" and "I can't trust you." (this is why you hate them). Remember, the essential need of a control freak is to defend against anxiety. Although it may not be apparent to you when they are making their demands, these individuals are attempting to cope with fairly substantial levels of their own anxiety. The control freak is usually fighting off a deep-seated sense of their own helplessness and impotence. By becoming proficient at trying to control other people, they are warding off their own fear of being out of control and helpless. Controlling is an anxiety management tool.
Unfortunately for you, the control freak has a lot at stake in prevailing. While trying to hold a conversation and engage them in some way, their emotional stakes involve their own identity and sense of well-being. Being in control gives them the temporary illusion and sense of calmness. When they feel they are prevailing, you can just about sense the tension oozing out of them. The control freak is very frightened. Part of their strategy is to induce that fear in you with the subtle or not so subtle threat of loss. Since the emotional stakes are so high for them, they need to assert themselves with you to not feel so helpless. To relinquish control is tantamount to being victimized and overwhelmed. When a control freak cannot control, they go through a series of rapid phases. First they become angry and agitated, then they become panicky and apprehensive, then they become agitated and threatening, and then they lapse into depression and despair.
Repetition Compulsion
Control freaks are also caught in the grip of a repetition compulsion. They repeat the same pattern again and again in their attempt to master their anxiety and cope with the trauma they feel. Characteristically, the repetition compulsion takes on a life of its own. Rather than feel calmer and therefore have a diminished need to be controlling, their behavior locks them into the same pattern in an insatiable way. Successes at controlling do not register on their internal scoreboard. They have to fight off the same threat again and again with increasing rigidity and intransigence.
Two Types of Control Freaks
Type 1 Control Freaks: The Type 1 control freak is strictly attempting to cope with their anxiety in a self absorbed way. They just want to feel better and are not even very aware of you. You will notice and hear their agitation and tentativeness. They usually do not make much eye contact when they are talking to you.
Type 2 Control Freaks: The Type 2 control freak is also trying to manage their anxiety but they are very aware of you as opposed to the Type 1 control freak. The Type 2 needs to diminish you to feel better. Their mood rises as they push you down. They do not just want to prevail; they also need to believe that they have defeated you. They need you to feel helpless so they will not feel helpless. Their belief is that someone must feel helpless in any interchange and they desperately do not want it to be them.

The Type 1 needs control. The Type 2 needs to control you.

That's an interesting article. Are you saying that certain individuals on Corbin boards and commissions are Type 2 Control Freaks and that Ms. Meyers her supporters are Type 1 Control Freaks? Or, vice versa?
From the postings in this blog, the argument could be made either way. In the meantime, nothing still gets done in Corbin.
Folks, just do something, no matter how large or small. Ms. Meyers should look past local government and committees in which she has no support and find other means and projects to do her job. Local history is full of examples of "little people" who accomplish big things on their own, or without government's help. Forget Tourism and City Commissioners, try Oscolli club, Lions Club, Rotary Club, etc., etc... At the very least, ask each downtown business to spend $250 in improving their storefront, that's a start.
Once you get the people of Corbin excited about main street, then that excitement will spread to the Tourism board and City Commissioners.

Date: Sep 5, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Is the Tourism Commission going to finally support the Downtown Corbin program? The word on the street and at City Hall is that two Commissioners and a couple of members of Tourism are trying to make the Downtown Program fail. Where does the City Manager stand on this program? Is he as wishy washy as I have heard that he is?

Why do they refuse to support Ms. Myers who is doing an excellent job.

I am glad this website gives a lot of visability to the Downtown Corbin program. Let's not let them kill it.

These may seem like dumb questions to these posters of this blog:

1. What projects have the Main St Program succeed in doing?

2. What projects were blocked by the Tourism Board/City Commission?

Date: Sep 5, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ms. Meyers should look past local government ...

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That is very poor advice since she works for local government.

Date: Sep 5, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These may seem like dumb questions to these posters of this blog:

1. What projects have the Main St Program succeed in doing?

2. What projects were blocked by the Tourism Board/City Commission?

I wish someone would answer the question!!!!! Please answer the question and then we can see who supports what!

Date: Sep 5, 2007

Also a question needs to be asked "What is goal of Main Street Program"?
The focus should be on this and nothing else!

Date: Sep 5, 2007

The poster on this board can answer questions that are in appropriate but they can't answer the basic about the Main Street Program. Lets see they can tell what a control freak is but not about Main Street. This may be the problem.
The last 2 post are good ones but no one seems to answer these simple questions. Are the public really informed or as it appears people are just picking sides. People their are no sides. Everyone in Corbin should be working together instead of fighting each other. I am an outsider and have seen it for years. Their are egos on each side you look around. Even the poster on this side who support the Main Street Program have egos and they want just as much control as the others. People get over it and move on for the good of Corbin.

Date: Sep 6, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

The poster on this board can answer questions that are in appropriate but they can't answer the basic about the Main Street Program. Lets see they can tell what a control freak is but not about Main Street. This may be the problem.
The last 2 post are good ones but no one seems to answer these simple questions. Are the public really informed or as it appears people are just picking sides. People their are no sides. Everyone in Corbin should be working together instead of fighting each other. I am an outsider and have seen it for years. Their are egos on each side you look around. Even the poster on this side who support the Main Street Program have egos and they want just as much control as the others. People get over it and move on for the good of Corbin.

I don't know everything about the Downtown Program but I will try to give you a recap as I know it.
1 Mrs. Myers has done a good job meeting with individual business owners in Downtown Corbin to enlist their support and gain their ideas.
2 She has formed committees and has good volunteers helping her. One of the Committees first recommentdation to the Tourism Commission was to place some small rail cars in strategic points downtown to feature our history in the Railroad industry.............The Tourism Commission rejected this plan.
3. The Thursday night Concert and Movie series was presented from mid-June until the Thursday prior to NIBROC. This turned out to be very successful. We discovered some excellent local performers and people in the community had an opportunity to socialize and enjoy time together.
4. The Downtown Director of any community has a certain period of required training before certain opportunities are available to the community. Mrs. Myers is making good progress in this program.
5. Mrs. Myers has spoken to many groups seeking their ideas and enthusiastically promoting the Downtown Program. She conducted a Public Forum that attracted a good number of people to share ideas.
6. There has been discussions presented about a new downtown library.
7. She is promoting actions to make the Downtown area more attractive. She has been to several other cities with good Downtown programs to gain information and ideas about how we can improve our area.

I am sure there are other things she does in her very busy schedule.

One last thing, the last thing in the world I want to do is to control any part of Downtown Corbin, or out of town Corbin. I just believe Corbin has great potential but you can't take potential to the bank.

Date: Sep 6, 2007

The above post was submitted by Bob Terrell, Sr. That is just some of my understanding of the program. There are many others that know much more about it than me.

Date: Sep 6, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These may seem like dumb questions to these posters of this blog:

1. What projects have the Main St Program succeed in doing?

2. What projects were blocked by the Tourism Board/City Commission?

I wish someone would answer the question!!!!! Please answer the question and then we can see who supports what!

These questions have not been addressed. Surely someone can give us feedback on this.

Date: Sep 6, 2007

The questions have been answered if you just read the words.

The railroad car project was rejected by the Tourism Commission.

And if you read the other material it will tell you what has been going on. The Public Forum, the Thursday night concerts and movies, the committee meetings and plans, and the History Sessions that will soon be held. Also the close relationship with downtown business owners to help beautify the area.

Also before some funds will be available the Director of the Downtown Program must go through a one year training period which is still underway.

What is your plan for what should be done?

Date: Sep 7, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

The poster on this board can answer questions that are in appropriate but they can't answer the basic about the Main Street Program. Lets see they can tell what a control freak is but not about Main Street. This may be the problem.
The last 2 post are good ones but no one seems to answer these simple questions. Are the public really informed or as it appears people are just picking sides. People their are no sides. Everyone in Corbin should be working together instead of fighting each other. I am an outsider and have seen it for years. Their are egos on each side you look around. Even the poster on this side who support the Main Street Program have egos and they want just as much control as the others. People get over it and move on for the good of Corbin.

This is a pretty good point. I think the challenge for Ms. Meyers is to overcome these egos. There is nothing new or different from this challenge than most other similar groups in the world. You will run into ego trips in schools, churches, civic groups, and even families. The key to good leadership is to overcome them somehow, don't just wine and use the situation as an excuse not to do anything.

Date: Sep 7, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The poster on this board can answer questions that are in appropriate but they can't answer the basic about the Main Street Program. Lets see they can tell what a control freak is but not about Main Street. This may be the problem.
The last 2 post are good ones but no one seems to answer these simple questions. Are the public really informed or as it appears people are just picking sides. People their are no sides. Everyone in Corbin should be working together instead of fighting each other. I am an outsider and have seen it for years. Their are egos on each side you look around. Even the poster on this side who support the Main Street Program have egos and they want just as much control as the others. People get over it and move on for the good of Corbin.

I don't know everything about the Downtown Program but I will try to give you a recap as I know it.
1 Mrs. Myers has done a good job meeting with individual business owners in Downtown Corbin to enlist their support and gain their ideas.
2 She has formed committees and has good volunteers helping her. One of the Committees first recommentdation to the Tourism Commission was to place some small rail cars in strategic points downtown to feature our history in the Railroad industry.............The Tourism Commission rejected this plan.
3. The Thursday night Concert and Movie series was presented from mid-June until the Thursday prior to NIBROC. This turned out to be very successful. We discovered some excellent local performers and people in the community had an opportunity to socialize and enjoy time together.
4. The Downtown Director of any community has a certain period of required training before certain opportunities are available to the community. Mrs. Myers is making good progress in this program.
5. Mrs. Myers has spoken to many groups seeking their ideas and enthusiastically promoting the Downtown Program. She conducted a Public Forum that attracted a good number of people to share ideas.
6. There has been discussions presented about a new downtown library.
7. She is promoting actions to make the Downtown area more attractive. She has been to several other cities with good Downtown programs to gain information and ideas about how we can improve our area.

I am sure there are other things she does in her very busy schedule.

One last thing, the last thing in the world I want to do is to control any part of Downtown Corbin, or out of town Corbin. I just believe Corbin has great potential but you can't take potential to the bank.

So, the Tourism Board rejected 1 idea out of many. Seems like some people are too quick to point the finger at big egos and out of city residency instead of the facts.

Date: Sep 7, 2007

Tourism rejected the first major one proposed. This would have required the spending of some money.

Date: Sep 7, 2007

I suggest taking the $26000 the trains would cost and using the money to rehab the outside of a building on main street. Pick the building at random by drawing the location out of a hat. Once this project is completed then pick another building. This would secure a tangible return on the money spent.

Date: Sep 7, 2007

This is the type of monies Corbin will be competing for (in the form of grants) when we become certified. Tourism's job, by law, is to use the monies from the restaurant tax to promote tourism. I'm not sure beautification would fit the guidelines. It would greatly increase our chances of receiving these grants if we present a united front and show our support of down town revitalization.

Date: Sep 8, 2007

Hopefully, the main street director will go after grants aggressively to spruce up main street buildings. Also the grants need to be used to help businesses that have a good chance to succeed, not the typical feel good businesses that grant money is generally wasted on. The money needs to be used for Law offices, Dentist offices etc. Maybe use it to entice a doctor down town.

Date: Sep 8, 2007

One of the factors in gaining grants for Downtown improvement is to demonstrate your Tourism Commission is supportive of the program. The first one sent to them was turned down because the Downtown area did not looke good enough. That was a low blow to the volunteers who give their time and energy to helping Corbn.