Post Info TOPIC: Read Ms. Swindlers editorial in today's (8-18-07) paper today.
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RE: Read Ms. Swindlers editorial in today's (8-18-07) paper today.


The last poster has a valid point, they want us all to agree with a small group that is in charge.  The issue would be on this, is who is the small group that will be appointed in charge of something like this. I'd say we could name a half dozen right off the top.  And who would they work for, again, we could name the employer of most of them, or the political connections with them.  Look at the various boards makeup now, do you see a trend?

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Bob Jr. has Estep and his Forcht group scared to death, and they are even more afraid of Bob Sr.  This group of many, knows these two men are changing the way this area thinks about what has been going on around us for the last 30 years, and they are scared to death. 

Estep is on the bottom rung of the ladder, and he will be the first to be taken down.  When you go through the members of our local boards, you can pick out the Forcht group related people, and then you understand why things are like they are.

Bob Jr. is gaining support the way it should be gained, through honest, hard work and putting everything out in the open. Estep is cowering behind his desk, and wondering what he should say next. 



I don't like the way this post is demonizing Mr. Forcht.  Believe me, I've known him since I was a child, and I guarentee he is not involved in the way this "group", as you call them, vote.  He is much too busy to get involved in all these theatrics.  I also believe he has the right to place political signs on his property if he so chooses, just as we all have a right to give him our business, or not.  
We can all work together to make Corbin the town we KNOW it can be.  But we need to be able to listen to each others ideas and opinions respectfully, and disagree in a respectful way if we have to.  Corbin is suffering, and it's not because of this website.  It's because people are too busy taking sides to really listen to each other.  There are no bad guys here, only people so afraid to lose an argument that they're willing to go to great lengths to win.  I can appreciate competition, but dang, Corbin is the one losing here!!!  I'm on Tourism, and I love Bruce, Marlon, Bob, Jr., Don, and everyone else around here, even if at times I seem at odds with some of them and at times disagree wholeheartedly.  I hope thats what I'm supposed to do, form my own opinion and have the guts to stand up and be counted. I have hated reading some of these posts because they've been so vicious toward people.  There is a way to disagree with someone without being so mean.  Maybe then these criticisms might be heard rather than fought against.
Anyway, just my opinion....

Suzie Razmus  

Tourism Board



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Bob Jr. has Estep and his Forcht group scared to death, and they are even more afraid of Bob Sr.  This group of many, knows these two men are changing the way this area thinks about what has been going on around us for the last 30 years, and they are scared to death. 

Estep is on the bottom rung of the ladder, and he will be the first to be taken down.  When you go through the members of our local boards, you can pick out the Forcht group related people, and then you understand why things are like they are.

Bob Jr. is gaining support the way it should be gained, through honest, hard work and putting everything out in the open. Estep is cowering behind his desk, and wondering what he should say next. 



I don't like the way this post is demonizing Mr. Forcht.  Believe me, I've known him since I was a child, and I guarentee he is not involved in the way this "group", as you call them, vote.  He is much too busy to get involved in all these theatrics.  I also believe he has the right to place political signs on his property if he so chooses, just as we all have a right to give him our business, or not.  
We can all work together to make Corbin the town we KNOW it can be.  But we need to be able to listen to each others ideas and opinions respectfully, and disagree in a respectful way if we have to.  Corbin is suffering, and it's not because of this website.  It's because people are too busy taking sides to really listen to each other.  There are no bad guys here, only people so afraid to lose an argument that they're willing to go to great lengths to win.  I can appreciate competition, but dang, Corbin is the one losing here!!!  I'm on Tourism, and I love Bruce, Marlon, Bob, Jr., Don, and everyone else around here, even if at times I seem at odds with some of them and at times disagree wholeheartedly.  I hope thats what I'm supposed to do, form my own opinion and have the guts to stand up and be counted. I have hated reading some of these posts because they've been so vicious toward people.  There is a way to disagree with someone without being so mean.  Maybe then these criticisms might be heard rather than fought against.
Anyway, just my opinion....

Suzie Razmus  

Tourism Board



Suzie makes some good points. Let's disagree without hurting each other. At times I am sure I have been harsh and if I have I am sorry. Let's discuss the subjects and give our opinions but let's do it with respect for those we may disagree with.

My son has been ripped in the News Journal and in a recent Tourism Meeting. It hurts when that happens.

Thanks Suzie for your wise words.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

-- Edited by Bob Terrell at 17:56, 2007-09-15

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What about the ripping and bashing that this board is doing to one of the commissioners?

Is this going to stop too?

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I haven't really seen any one commissioner get bashed, I've seen some posts disagreeing with some decisions of the group, but one particuler commissioner getting bashed? Which one and what topic?

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What happened to the "IM RUNNING THE SHOW" Thread. It just Disappeared!!!

Did someone get spooked????? BoooooooooooOOo!!!!!!!!!

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No, it's still there, it is on page 2 of the "City, County and other Local Issues" forum. Scroll down to the bottom of the topics page and hit the "next page" option. There are so many topics under that forum now that they have rolled over into a 2nd page.

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The "I'm running the show" thread flipped to page 2 of that section, there's a few threads on page 2 now. I'd be nice if we could get it back all on one page if possible.

It's amazing how this board's popularity has risen, and is now patrolled by someone who keeps others informed as to its contents.  That is the mark of a successful public forum board in my opinion.  This board is now serving it's purpose.  It allows all to post their thoughts and opinions, and it shows there are more people with more ideas than just the few that get the nod to serve on public boards, serve in public office, and work in prominent jobs.  This board allows John Q. Public to say what they wish, and based on the comments throughout this board, they are doing so. 

I don't see the criticism's here as viscious, but they are very opinionated. No one is cursing anyone, they are voicing their personal opinions. What's wrong with that. Nothing in my opinion.  Many people on this board can't, or do not want to, go to these meetings, volunteer to work or serve, but they want their ideas and opinions heard, and this forum is for them. No, most don't sign their names.  And why don't they sign, because they fear most the retribution from those they criticize.  Imagine a secretary, maintenance person, truck driver, or any other wage earner, or even a mid level management person, criticizing their boss or the big bosses company, or a person who would have some ability to cause them grief in their employment through political contacts, that give their opinions or thoughts that are not favorable towards their employer or other persons of importance, and suddenly they are let go or demoted.  Think it can't happen?  Surely not in corbin you say. 

Mr. Terrell Sr. is the prime example here of what can happen when people around you are not the people you thought they were. Let go due to political influence, and the fear that he may start a trend of people no longer going along with the status quo, and standing up for what they believe. 

Ms. Razmus defends her position, and her acquaintences.  Good for her. She is exercising her rights to do so .   But, she has no more rights than anyone here, and should be given no more consideration than anyone here either.  Her defense of Mr. Forcht is a given, considering the closeness of her family to him and his.  That's fine too, but, it's no more important than anyone here defending someone they are close to or friends with.  Should anyone that isn't friends with him,  or doesn't care for him not complain or voice their opinion just because she is an advocate of his. Of course not.  It's a free country.  And, those that I have read, are not viscious, just spirited.

I'm not sure what the political signs thing is about.


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Chat lists can be fun and entertaining as well as a means of communicating with the outside world. There are good lists and there are bad ones. I can say that it has been fun reading the messages on various topics here, however, I don't have the hours to give to reading all of them.
I don't read either newspapers and am not familiar with what all the fuss is about. Having said this please don't ridicule me and say "if you don't know what you are talking about, you have no business participating!"
So far, on this list, and I promised myself I would not make reference to any specific person, but in this case, I can say that the only positive thing I have seen are the remarks made by Ms. Razmus three days ago in her response concerning Mr. Forcht. Because she likes the man doesn't mean I have to like him also. I give her credit for defending him. True, the websites were created for expressing personal views about various subjects, but when you take something out of context, it becomes a completely different issue. One that brings on much debate (or should I call it argument).
I personally feel that if a person has lived his entire life in the city of Corbin, he would most certainly be interested in the city's progress. How many offspring remain in Corbin after high school? Not many, I would guess. Now face it folks, the beer/alcohol issue is not the problem. It's the narrowmindedness of some of us. It's a known fact that before Corbin voted in the alcohol to be served in restaurants, those who wanted to drink, drank! They just went to Jellico or Lexington to buy, right? (Who got the money from those sales?) Look around at other cities, other restaurants, and ask yourself if they could make a go of it without serving alcoholic beverages. You know the answer to that question. My granddaughters have worked as waitresses in various restaurants, depending on tips to help fund their college educations. Without the alcohol sales, they wouldn't take home enough money to pay the rent. One was a bartender in NYC, and do you think it made her an alcoholic? NO!
When I go to a restaurant to eat, I don't choose according to whether they do or don't serve alcohol, I go for the good food. You may think I am promoting the sale of alcohol, but that would be negative thinking. I don't drink!! My children don't drink!! But that isn't to say we have never had a drink.
My point is that you can be for or against the sale of alcohol in your town, but it's pretty obvious that if you are looking towards tourism to build the town, face the fact that tourists go where there's progress. A town cannot live in the past. If your friends are chosen by who does and who doesn't drink an occasional beer, you are missing out on knowing a lot of good folks.
Why not stop the bickering, backbiting, and name-calling, and stick with positive ideas. Did you ever stop to think that you might have more participants if people weren't afraid to post on the message board for fear of being attacked?
My biggest objection is that everyone goes by the name "Anonymous". There are lots of ID names that could differentiate between all the anonymous contributors. How about "Smiley", "Bubba" or Kypeon----No, I'm not a KY peon, that just happens to be my initials----Smile!
I'd better post this reply before I chicken out!

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Another good editorial in today's Times Tribune from Ms. Swindler.

The lady shows true professionalism in her writing, and it is always insightful and honest. I thoroughly enjoy reading them.

I hope she stays around for awhile.

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yawn.gifSounded like Swindler was all in tears in her latest flop article talking about a Monkey milking Mona. Pretty stupid stuff would'nt ya say Swindler?

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biggrin.gifNobody was really paying much attention to this,Oh few complained to Swindler, yep she panicked and and strted flapping her jaws about it , which then drew my attention to it and others i talked to. (Inexperienced reporter error)

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Nice to see you finally posting Don, and Trent too. I guess it is true you check our your competitors papers to see what your not doing.

I thought Samantha's explanation and apology was very heardfelt. Even though she had nothing to apologize for, she felt she did.

The complaints she says she had, and I would love to know the number of them, were from the same narrow minded holy rollers that thought corbin would sink to hell when we voted in alcohol a few years ago. I believe you were in that group weren't you Don. Or at least, your church was.

Samantha, keep the faith, and keep up the good work.

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confused.gifWhat Faith??? Do you have One? I doubt it. Sounds like your part of the ole Alcohol gang trying to defend The Times Tribune's Energizer Bunny! They Keep running themselves into messy articles.

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Hey there last poster, where've you been the last couple of weeks, on vacation? We haven't heard from you in awhile. Did you take of for fall break?

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Ms. Swindler is a very fine journalist. She is also a very good person. She is not an energizer bunny, and that is an insult not only to her but to all women. That post sounds like it came from that small group of good old boys who believe insulting women is just a game to them. Our mothers were women. Would you want them to be insulted like that? Grow up!

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We must be kind to the poster three above (which we'd know by title if everyone was required to register and have a user name, but that's another story) as he is one of Estep's followers. The bumper sticker on his car reads, "What Estep said,,,,".



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These attacks on Ms. Swindler are uncalled for! I am so glad she is at the Times. My husband and I look forward to the newspaper every day now just to see what she has. I hope she don't get run off by mean people.

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Ms Swindler is a true professional, and knows how to conduct her business. Have you ever heard her say the first word about Estep or his paper. NO.

Estep is scared to death of her, I think he's afraid she'll take over his paper. He can't stand it because she has he respect of the town, and he doesn't.

Oh, Estep has a few on his side, mainly employees and family, but that's about it. Wouldn't he be surprised if one of his staff is posting here and giving him down the road when he thinks they are behind him.



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A true Professional would not cry over spilled Milk?????? Hold on now it's time for the praise Monkey's
yawn.gifCome now lets here it Praise monkey's. Evidentley Swindler thought her monkey mona wasn't right!!!!!!

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Ms. Swindler is a very fine journalist. She is also a very good person. She is not an energizer bunny, and that is an insult not only to her but to all women. That post sounds like it came from that small group of good old boys who believe insulting women is just a game to them. Our mothers were women. Would you want them to be insulted like that? Grow up!






Sounds like you all have claimed the Energizer Bunny is Swindler????? I'm glad you posters did! because Swindler was never named was she? This could be another flapper as well.
It is funny how you idiots fell right into the Bunny net and picked out who you thought the person was. Funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!biggrin.gif

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Since this thread is about Ms. Swindler, and you replied 8 posts up to comments about Ms. Swindler, I believe the real idiot will looking back at you the next time you stand in front of your mirror.

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A true Professional would not cry over spilled Milk?????? Hold on now it's time for the praise Monkey's
yawn.gifCome now lets here it Praise monkey's. Evidentley Swindler thought her monkey mona wasn't right!!!!!!






We've missed you, "Mr. Monkey Man". It's been awhile since you've posted your monkey comments. We were starting to think you were swinging from some vine somewhere. Maybe that's why you were offended by the Mona Lisa painting...

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I think Mr. Monkey Man has been out of town during fall break, haven't you Mr. Monkey Man.

Welcome home.

Nice to see you back on the board your first days back.

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I think Mr. Monkey Man has been out of town during fall break, haven't you Mr. Monkey Man.




Why would you think that?

Is he on the tourism commission?

Are you making fun of him over the front page breast feeding monkey?

I like Ms. Swindler just fine but the front page art was sort of wierd.

 



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I saw that paper. Didn't think a thing about it. I can only imagine those that raised a stink about it. She was very tactful and professional in her apology, but I didn't feel it was warranted.

At the last Downtown forum meeting, many of the people attending stated they would like a more artsy type of downtown development. I agreed, but, if that little painting stirred up a stink, can you imagine what some real art would do to the blue hairs and holy rollers we have in corbin.

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furious.gifI'm sure that the "Pink Hairs" and the "UnHolly Rollers" like yourself would probaly shout for Joy.

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