The next tourism meeting: what will happen!

Date: Oct 15, 2007

RE: The next tourism meeting: what will happen!

Date: Oct 15, 2007

I don't think you talk down to anyone. I enjoy your posts, as they seem from the heart and very genuine. Keep them coming.

The in city/out of city is not an issue to me. It never has been and never will be in my opinion. I'm from corbin, and have lived in and out of the city most all of my life. I always consider myself a "corbin" person, and always will. For now, I live out of the city, because I choose to. In a few years, I'll probably be in again. It doesn't matter though.

I agree with your Downtown ascessment. This program will take off soon, especially when Sharae gets her certification.

I will tell you this though. Don Estep and Bruce Carpenter are against her and her program, because they have no control over her or her program. That's a fact. I have heard it from both of the horse's mouths.

Keep up the posts, and chime in at your leisure. We enjoy your comments.

poneal · Senior Member

It is good to see that you don't consider all of my comments as being negative. I grew up in Corbin. My family has lived in Corbin since 1919. Does that rank me as a Charter Member of something???
My greatest love is that of family history, which, when you think about it also covers other history as well. I cannot tell you the number of friends I have acquired through the internet because of my interest in genealogy. There are many terrific resources on the web.
Corbin is not what you think of as a historical town. It isn't that old. It has lost many of its historical sights, but there is still the history remembered by parents and grandparents. I urge all of you to drill into your children's heads the history of your town, everything you remember about it whether good or bad. Someday, they will thank you for it. Unfortunately, I didn't start early enough with my research. The greatest asset I had was my father, but I was young and didn't take the time to ask questions. He had a terrific memory, could even tell you the day of the week and what the weather was like for many of his stories. Keep a journal. Write down the things you do, the places you visit, how much you paid for a hotel room, meals, taxi, keep receipts, theater tickets, etc. We think we will remember these things, but we don't. Take pictures. I have journals covering several of my trips on a day to day basis. I treasure those journals. They have become my reference library and will be saved for my grandchildren. I am counting on my writings being among their treasured possessions some day.
I know this has nothing to do with the subject matter on the message boards, but at least, you will understand that I am not a negative person. I love to travel and in my travels I have seen so many things that can be useful in project planning, regardless of the project. I like to create, offer ideas, and be helpful. Thanks for reading.

Date: Oct 26, 2007

The next meeting is coming up fast, wonder what the agend will be. If there is an agenda.

I hear Estep is trying to rally support for his internet vote, but is having trouble. Seems his committee has been doing some checking and polling among citizens of corbin, other than the few Estep hangs around with, and people like this site over the proposed one.

Plus, three of the committee members has voiced displeasure with the way Estep has handled the situation, and has said they will not vote with him. If they change their minds and DO vote with him, those members will have heck to pay with those they have talked with.

What a dilemma to be in.

Estep goes out when, January of '08.

It's like counting down to christmas, you know, 99 days to Estep, 98 days to Estep, and so on.

Date: Oct 26, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

It's like counting down to christmas

Is that how important the 300 a month website vote is?

Date: Nov 3, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Plus, three of the committee members has voiced displeasure with the way Estep has handled the situation, and has said they will not vote with him. If they change their minds and DO vote with him, those members will have heck to pay with those they have talked with.

What kind of "heck" will they pay, exactly? Like most people, I really doubt the tourism committee members care what you think.

Date: Nov 4, 2007

Well, the "heck" they will pay is when they tell somebody something that they WILL do when it comes to a vote, and then don't do it. The "heck" is when they are around those folks, and the people they promised their word to, could say, "Hello, how are you, told any lies today." I would consider that heck. It would be one thing if they said, "i don't know", or "I haven't made my mind up", or "i won't know till it comes down to it". Those are all fine. But, when you say, "I WILL DO THIS", it's a differen story.

Of course, one persons 'heck", could be another persons "no big deal".

Date: Nov 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Well, the "heck" they will pay is when they tell somebody something that they WILL do when it comes to a vote, and then don't do it. The "heck" is when they are around those folks, and the people they promised their word to, could say, "Hello, how are you, told any lies today." I would consider that heck. It would be one thing if they said, "i don't know", or "I haven't made my mind up", or "i won't know till it comes down to it". Those are all fine. But, when you say, "I WILL DO THIS", it's a differen story.

Why do you care so much about somebody's web contract? All of your "heck" you are promising probably just makes you annoying and less persuasive to tourism board members anyway.

Date: Nov 4, 2007

It has nothing to do with a web contract, it's the conduct and attitude of the chairman of the tourism committee chairman, and the lack of comments the rest of the committee did and did not make. Fine is they want to change. But who is Estep to decide anything, he is no one. The rest of the committee sat there like logs. They said nothing. Only one has commented, and on her at that, and that is Suze.

If they all want it gone, fine and dandy. But stand up for yourself and tell the public, not behind closed doors. Tell us what you think. And keep to your story. Don't tell me one thing in private, then totally contradict yourself publicly. I'll call you on it, every chance I get.

Estep forgot he is only the chairman of the committee, not the committee himself.

We'll see what happens.

There's one member of the committee that has flip flopped on their decision several times. We'll see how that member votes when the time comes.

When I talk to the tourism board, or any board, all I ask is that they listen. So far, they have, listened that is. I'm sure they don't agree with me all the time, and I don't agree with them either. I just ask that they give me their time.

Date: Nov 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

When I talk to the tourism board, or any board, all I ask is that they listen. So far, they have, listened that is. I'm sure they don't agree with me all the time, and I don't agree with them either. I just ask that they give me their time.

It sounds like there may be a lobbyist working in Corbin. I know most all of the tourism members too but I think they should be left to do their business without being pressured by those wanting special interest. These are just volunteers and probably don't have a lot of time for sales pitches. I may talk to the tourism members I know just to find out who has been calling or coming around trying to sway their vote.

Date: Nov 4, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Estep forgot he is only the chairman of the committee, not the committee himself.

We'll see what happens.

How did estep overstep his bounds? Sounds like the tourism members are OK with him if they don't speak up at the meetings. He is the chairman so he is supposed to lead them to some degree. I think he's done a good job despite some whining over a couple of issues a select few had an interest in.

wkugirl · Senior Member

So, what do we think will happen at the Tourism's meeting this week? Who will show up, and how will everyone vote???

Date: Nov 12, 2007

My opinion is;

Everyone will show up.

Estep will bring up the web service issue, and I truly think some or most of the members will initiate some discussion about it, and actually question Estep as to what he has a problem with, in front of the public.

I think one of the members will make a motion to table the issue, continue with the present service until it is decided, and they'll appoint someone or a few people to actually research the issue more in depth.

I think the motion to table will carry by one vote, and it will be carried until that committee or person reports back.

I think the Bently guy that is offering the new service for $25 will be there, as Estep will call him and tell him it's imperative he show up.

I also think that we'll find out that this Bentley man has some presently unknown affiliatioins with Estep and other city officials, and they'll come out sometime in the next month as to what they are.

That's my opinion. No facts to base it on, just my opinion.

Date: Nov 12, 2007

I think the same members that dodged the October meeting will find a reason not to be at the November meeting.

Date: Nov 13, 2007

All I have to say about the meeting yesterday, is thank God we at least have one sensible person on the committee, Suze Razmus. She is the only one who puts the good of Corbin ahead of the nonsense the citizens of Corbin have to endure with our leadership.

Sometimes I think we deserve exactly what we get. Being ranked at the bottom in so many areas, and losing businesses everyday. When are we going to wake up and get smart?

kramer · Senior Member

It's good to see that the Tourism Board is supporting local businesses....that is if you live in London.

wkugirl · Senior Member

I continue to be amazed by the decisions that are made in our town. I just read the Times, and it just blows my mind what happens in Corbin. So, be aware, if you are smart, talented, have skill and ideas, don't bother coming into Corbin. For we will sure try our best to run you out of town. I keep thinking we are better than this, but unfortunately, I keep getting reminded that we are not.

Date: Nov 13, 2007

Looks like Don got his way, after his temper tantrum. The bad thing is, when Don wins, Corbin loses.

wkugirl · Senior Member

I agree with the poster a few up. Thank God we have Suze Razmus. She is the only one with courage to stand up. She has good ideas, good leadership skills, and puts what is best for Corbin above petty politics. Watch out Suze, they will probably come after you next. But at least you have your family dynamic on your side. If you were on the other side of the political fence, they would have tried to be rid of you a long time ago. Sad, but true. Keep up the good work, Suze, we are counting on you to keep voicing your opinions and doing what's right for Corbin. I think you might be our only hope!!!

Date: Nov 14, 2007

No offense wkugirl but you and a few others are being a bit silly here. This is not exactly a matter of national security. It is just routine tourism business. There is no question that Bob Jr does good work on his websites. They look great and I am sure that they do an effective job. In this case it seemed to be just a matter of economics. 300 vs 50. The vote was 5 to 1 with one member not showing up. The lone No vote was OK but sometimes it is best to show support to the majority of your peers on a board or committee. If a member does that very often then nobody will want to serve with them. Anyone can be a cowboy or a cowgirl and go around pointing out problems, voting No and reaming out other members on how they voted but most of the time it is still better to be part of the solution than part of the problem. We still live in a country where the majority rules. Much like the recent Governors race. Beshear won and now the people should get behind him and show support for the good of the Commonwealth. Lets get over the tourism thing and go forward.

wkugirl · Senior Member

No offense taken. I do agree with you that we have to move beyond this and move forward. If I really believed that this vote was about economics, then it would be very easy to do. And if I thought that voting with the committee was about being part of the solution, then I could agree to what you are saying. If you take all of this at face value, really just being about the economics of the website, then that would be OK. But, it is not about that, it is about getting rid of someone and his father previously, and anyone's ideas that are not their own. And, if we all just sit back and continue to not voice opinions, it will continue happening. I can move on, this does not affect me directly other than I am a business owner and would like to see Corbin grow and prosper. And if I were Bob, Jr., I would say to heck with you all. But it is about deeper issues, and these issues are what have held our town back for years. It is just like MerCSakes who works in Frankfort, but is from Corbin, told me in an email, that she has been embarrassed in Frankfort at opportunities that have come to Corbin, but our town can't quit fighting long enough to accept help.

I'm not trying to be part of the problem. It would be much easier just to be quiet, and move on. But the people of Corbin have to wake up to what goes on around here, or we are going to continue to decline.

So, that's all I'll say. I'll really shut up now on this topic, which I'm sure will make lots of people happy.

Date: Nov 14, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
No offense wkugirl but you and a few others are being a bit silly here. This is not exactly a matter of national security. It is just routine tourism business. There is no question that Bob Jr does good work on his websites. They look great and I am sure that they do an effective job. In this case it seemed to be just a matter of economics. 300 vs 50. The vote was 5 to 1 with one member not showing up. The lone No vote was OK but sometimes it is best to show support to the majority of your peers on a board or committee. If a member does that very often then nobody will want to serve with them. Anyone can be a cowboy or a cowgirl and go around pointing out problems, voting No and reaming out other members on how they voted but most of the time it is still better to be part of the solution than part of the problem. We still live in a country where the majority rules. Much like the recent Governors race. Beshear won and now the people should get behind him and show support for the good of the Commonwealth. Lets get over the tourism thing and go forward.

So if we think we should vote NO, but the majority of them want to vote YES, then we should vote YES to show to support the peers on the committee. BULLHOCKEY!!

Why have a vote at all them. Just let Estep make the decision. Why have a committee.

This vote and the situation around it brings back the issue of people living in the city limits being on city committees. Estep and Tipton live out of the city. Why are they on this committee. Tipton lives in Laurel County at that. I have no idea where Patil lives.

Suze Razmus is the only one with the guts to stand up for what's right. Tipton just ducks his head and follows Don.

This is why we need people like Suze on our boards and our city commission. Thank goodness Estep goes out next year, and maybe Tipton will head right out the door with him.

Date: Nov 14, 2007

This "I need to vote with the majority" nonsense is the weak leadership approach, but sounds pretty normal for a couple of our boards. Try standing up for what you really believe instead of caving to what you know in your heart is wrong. The job of these boards is not to vote in a majority, or to whimp out and do what is "Easy", and if you don't have the guts to fight for what you believe, get off the board and let someone on who does.

Hats off to Suzie Razmus.

Date: Nov 15, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Try standing up for what you really believe instead of caving to what you know in your heart is wrong.

You are a joke. The 300 dollar web deal is nothing. You are acting like the tourism board rejected the plan of salvation. Just get over it.

Humility · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Try standing up for what you really believe instead of caving to what you know in your heart is wrong.

You are a joke. The 300 dollar web deal is nothing. You are acting like the tourism board rejected the plan of salvation. Just get over it.

How dare you insult the person who said "Try standing up for what you really believe instead of caving to what you know in your heart is wrong."

You are the true joke. Nobody brought up salvation, just guts to do what is right. We don't want to get over it. If we do just meekly get over it, that kind of crap will just keep happening.

Date: Nov 15, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Try standing up for what you really believe instead of caving to what you know in your heart is wrong.

You are a joke. The 300 dollar web deal is nothing. You are acting like the tourism board rejected the plan of salvation. Just get over it.

I didn't know you cared Don. You, Wes and Bruce must have thought all day on what to post here.

Date: Nov 15, 2007

Humility wrote:

Nobody brought up salvation, just guts to do what is right.

That is one of your proplems ... you think that only your ideas are the right ideas. That is why there are votes. The vote was five to one. It would have been six to one if the other member had attended. No guts were involved for the one person to vote no. Everyone could have caved in to special interest and voted no. That would have been the easy road. The right thing was done.