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Folks

Just a short summary of some real world thoughts, I am speaking for myself, this is not Bob Jr or Sr. so here goes:

Over the last ten years I have been blessed to have been all over the world with my business, I consider myself lucky. The business world today is tough and getting tougher but opportunity abounds and the markets are still ripe to brings thousands of jobs to our area. The people who are the decision makers have changed with the times, their more educated than ever and sharp as a razor, especially the Asian market which includes the Chinese and Malaysia areas.

It takes a special talent to sit down and talk with these people, everyone has a talent but convincing major comapnies that can depoly millions of dollars to our area requires unusualy super talent & expertise.

Within the first five minutes of dealing with major customers they form an opinion, you can sense this in high level business dealings if you have made the connection, if not you can sense it immidiatley and head on out the door, just the tough realities of business in 2007.

I have had the good fortune to see and hear the best CEO's, Military Commanders, Private Owners of companies all around the world, have also had the chance to see many good average folks and also the worst. Unfortunatley Muli-Million dollar companies will not be swayed by anything average, it takes the best, tough but unfortunatley very real.

I see some folks in this area that fit the mold of people who can deal on an International Level along with State & Local stages, there is usually not a handful of people who can do this even in the Major cities, just a talent like anything else.

I would point out one of the top three (I'll list the others if asked):

Bob Terrell Sr---------Bob can communicate and deal with everyone from local officials to State and on into the International Market as direct contact is now required to market our city and area for competetive jobs and raising the standard of living for our people.

I'm absolutley shocked the city would not take advantage of this and other resources who can deal on an International Level, this is tough business and requires the best along with massive experience levels. The Chinese, Germans, Indians, Austrailians, British will form an opinion within five to ten minutes, f the right person is not in place they will move on.

The game is played on an International stage now, Mayor, City Commissioners, do the right thing and put the best in the field to take us into battle to improve our area!

Bob is not the only resource but sure a good place to start and maybe one of the best in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think about it

Waste Management

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I'll have to agree with you. Foreign markets are increasingly successful in taking our jobs and our dollars. I feel you are correct when you say we can no longer be average and need above average representation. We could not find anyone more qualified that Mr. Terrell.

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I can go along with that analogy. The only problem is though, the ego's of the local leaders and other persons having controlling interest will be tough to bridge, and convince them to let this happen. Our leaders know what needs to be done, but they always ask the so called "people in the know" for their advice and take it as the gospel. The "big fish in a little pond" cliche is one that comes to mind.

Yes, we have some in our midst that can do what you describe. But getting past the barriers of our local leaders will be a chore.

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wkugirl


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I agree with the above comments. I have said in several posts, and will continue to say, that Bob Terrell, Sr., is a class act. He has the skills and experience you mentioned, and could take us a long way regarding growth in our area. And, you are right, there are only a handful of people with his skill, and we are lucky to have him here, in our town, wanting to do good and help us prosper. But, as you said, "getting past the barriers of our local leaders" is the problem. I would love for someone to explain to me, how we have this resource at our fingertips, and not use him. And, when we say these things, we are labeled as "Terrell" followers, instead of people who just want what's good for Corbin.

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wkugirl wrote:
 And, when we say these things, we are labeled as "Terrell" followers, instead of people who just want what's good for Corbin.
If the shoe fits, wkugirl...

 



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wkugirl wrote:

But, as you said, "getting past the barriers of our local leaders" is the problem. 



Which local leaders are you talking about? Fiscal Court? Mayor and Commissioners? Board Members? Committees?



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The biggest barriers in my opinion are not as much the city elected officials, as they are only temporary, but their advisers. The city manager and city attorney are their closest advisors, but do they know anything about ANYTHING. It appears not.

Who do they ( elected leaders) listen to. Local bankers? Local lawyers? Terry Forcht?

Based on their meetings, and our success in bringing in anything that they're involved with, they either listen to the wrong people, or don't listen at all.

Farris said we''ve got a million in the bank. That's good. We can add to that. But, under the city managers watch, we used to have another cash reserve, and we kept dipping into it to pay for insurance increases and such. It was gone eventually. We were close to being in the same boat as whitley county fiscal court was, but, their boat sank first, and they passed the occu. tax, and we got part of it, and it saved the day for us.

That's the type of thinking we have here in corbin.



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That must have been under the mayor that was in after Tom Thurston. Thurston had the city in the black with reserves built up even while he was building the overpass and getting OTB to come to Corbin. After Thurston the money started declining. Now with McBurney and his commissioners the city has some money and yet is still doing more to improve Corbin than any administration ever before. McBurney is not running this time but just ask him and he will tell you that Gregory, Shelton, Farris and Lynch are a winning combination and good for Corbin. You would have to have been living in a hole or maybe way out in the county not to know this already but it is all true.

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But, under the city managers watch, we used to have another cash reserve, and we kept dipping into it to pay for insurance increases and such. It was gone eventually. We were close to being in the same boat as whitley county fiscal court was, but, their boat sank first, and they passed the occu. tax, and we got part of it, and it saved the day for us.

That's the type of thinking we have here in corbin.



This all happened back with a previous mayor and commissioners. Ed Tye was one of those commissioners.

 



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The City has not expanded in 30 Years, the Occupational Tax again saved the day. What areas have we annexed? How many jobs have been created in this last year Vs ten years ago at this time?

Your busy telling us how great this combination is but you supply no facts or data to back up this winning combination? The current city attorney, and city manager has no vision to expand the city, why? Both already live ourside the city and simply have no real interest in what effects the city and the fallout that happens as a result of their actions.

This is simply a paycheck to these guys and they return home each night to Knox & Whitley County, neither pay a penny of city tax's.

How many lawsuits has the city Attorney or City Manager filed to Annex Property, get our Million Dollars back from Knox County? How Many?????????????????????????? Where can we see this information, what city report measures the job performance of these guys???

In the meantime we have a Chamber President lobbying for more places to rest in so the hords of people will in some way come to him and join the chamber, the 10K for the trailers was no where short of absurd.

Now Economic Development, what projects do we have underway, what major companies are we talking with? How many 30K-50K per year jobs are projected

in five years to add to the city work force and tax base.

What's our plan to increase our revenue to support our Police & Firefighters who are the backbone of our Saftey & Security????

These are the points your officials must address and improve on, watch many of the post from the "Stay The Same Gang". They have no plan to take care of the Police & Fire Departments but actually want to reduce our forces and make them part time, if they had a plan they would have shown it to us.

Has anyone seen our Vision to build the Roadmap and Vision for the future and how it effect Police, Fire and all of our city Infrastructure??

We have a good Mayor and Commission, dump the B-Team and get some real pro's in these positions. Let's let these guys go back to delivering Pizza.

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How many lawsuits has the city Attorney or City Manager filed to Annex Property


Are you saying the city should file lawsuits against people in order to annex them? That sounds like a dumb idea.

 



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Waste Management


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Unless you can convince 100% of the homeowners in any area to agree your probably going to have some lawsuits.

Most other cities have reported several suits as they expanded their city and tax base, it's not easy and doubtfull everyone will agree, so look for the city attorney to have to actually do something.

Of course we have to attempt to Annex first, create a game plan with real milestones, build a plan that will convince the residents that will be effected and last but least be prepared for some tough battles.

The City will have to defend themselves as the minority of homeowners will certainly not come in easy, but if the city has the votes and majority, it's time to move & expand.

This is messy business when annexing but with a stronger city in the end, will we step up?

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Now with McBurney and his commissioners the city has some money and yet is still doing more to improve Corbin than any administration ever before.





Corbin only has money because of whitley county's occupational tax then their inept fiscal court that was on at the time.

Neither McBurney, or any of the commission, would have the guts to have passed a city only occupational tax. They piggybacked it with the counties, and prayed the county would give us a part of it. Their lack of intestioinal fortitude shows it's true colors with them afraid to do anything about knox county's not giving us a fair share.

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Waste Management wrote:

Unless you can convince 100% of the homeowners in any area to agree your probably going to have some lawsuits.

Most other cities have reported several suits as they expanded their city and tax base, it's not easy and doubtfull everyone will agree, so look for the city attorney to have to actually do something.


Typical message board misinformation. You obviously are clueless when it comes to annexation. Please back away from your keyboard, turn off your computer and go away. It is getting tedious correcting all the BS you post on here.

 



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Waste Management wrote:
Unless you can convince 100% of the homeowners in any area to agree your probably going to have some lawsuits.

Most other cities have reported several suits as they expanded their city and tax base, it's not easy and doubtfull everyone will agree, so look for the city attorney to have to actually do something.
Typical message board misinformation. You obviously are clueless when it comes to annexation. Please back away from your keyboard, turn off your computer and go away. It is getting tedious correcting all the BS you post on here.
I happen to  appreciate the messages we read from Waste Management.  Its a good thing we have Waste Management to clean up all the garbage you post on here. Who are you to tell someone they are clueless?



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Anonymous wrote:


Now with McBurney and his commissioners the city has some money and yet is still doing more to improve Corbin than any administration ever before.



 Corbin only has money because of whitley county's occupational tax then their inept fiscal court that was on at the time. 

 



Corbin only has the occupational tax money because former mayor Amos Miller and commissioners that served with him held out for Corbins share of that tax.


 

 



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Waste Management


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Then tell us about annexation? Where are we looking to expand and what are the Guidelines?

I'll back away from the key board and let our friend two or three posts above explain his plan and how annexation works, and also what rights homeowners have via the court system if they do not want to play along.

After that tell us where our Million Dollars from Knox County is after 8-Years. I'll wait on your reply but I am betting you will not supply any details but a general statement that explains nothing.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt, let's see that annexation plan.

Waiting

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I don't know the answers to your many questions Waste Management but maybe somebody will post some stuff that will help you to occupy yourself. You might also want to consider talking to someone at City Hall or the County Court House that could help you out. Maybe the new governor has some staff that will take calls from someone like you and can help you out too. I do think that it is great that someone who works at the landfill takes their time to post here. Keep up the good work with your garbage. Take care.

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I think ole waste management is on to something? I believe his job is flushing out turds and looks like he has possibly flushed out few here???

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I am not sure what you are saying but I look forward to reading what Waste Management has to say. It is very clear that he knows his waste material and from what is seen on this board he produces a lot of waste as well. I am very supportive of a green environment myself and I saw on this board that several posters are green with envy. Waste Management may be one of those folks since the landfill gave him his own laptop. I cannot type very good so I may just start referring to him as Waste. I hope that is OK to be on a first name basis. Keep those posts coming so this board can stay full of Waste material. But if the board administrator wants to eliminate Waste that is OK too.

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The City has not expanded in 30 Years, the Occupational Tax again saved the day.



That is not true. Corbin can only expand on three sides and has done so upon request several times over the last 30 years. What you say is false. The occupational tax did not save the day either. When Whitley county started charging the tax Mayor Miller and commissioners were wise enough to get Corbins share. Another Mayor in a previous administration did not do this with Knox county. Maybe the circumstances were different with that issue. The newspapers reported that Corbin has used the occupational tax money to improve the town and shore up depleted accounts. The current city leaders have done well for our town. So far they are the only ones that are running for the office in next years election. Ed Tye says he will run but he was part of the problem. If people like him get back in office then Corbin voters need their heads examined.

 



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Sorry but the last poster is babbling and seems to have left out any facts at all, the city has sectin annexed a few areas but that's it.

Name the area's annexed: It's not Tattersall with 500 Homes, it's not Ohler Raod except for Cobblestone with 250 New Homes being built, it's not Cardinal Heights with 200 Homes, so where again did we annex??

Now for the Knox County issue, Mayor Miller did a great job but took over for Scotty soon after the Occupational Tax for Knox County was passed, look at the time line.

Why did the Mayor & City Attorney not file suit against Knox County back then? It should have obvious after 6 Months at the helm Knox County was Not going to share this money, sure your fine in Whitley County but the poor people in Knox who are Corbin Residents an work in the area are being treated terrible.

What kind of legal advice have we been recieveing and what kind of legal advice would have us in a situation 8 years after the fact that has generated a Tax on part of our city and generated zero return to the city.

We had a city attorney retained and paid by the city, do you think we have got our monies worth?

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Waste Management wrote:

Then tell us about annexation? Where are we looking to expand and what are the Guidelines?

Why don't you do your own homework before posting a bunch of garbage on here Waste? You seem to expect everyone else to carry your water for your.

You obviously have plenty of time to Waste on the internet spreading stupidity on this message board. A little time with a search engine will answer your questions quickly.



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Anonymous

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You obviously have plenty of time to Waste on the internet spreading stupidity on this message board. A little time with a search engine will answer your questions quickly.





Come on now, just because you're a city commissioner, don't accuse the poster of being stupid. You're better than that.

The question is legit.

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If they are a city commissioner then they know what they are talking about but I sort of doubt that they are. As for the industrial meltdown, it has been proven in recent years that an economic development recruiter is probably not going to be very effective. Corbin has never really been the recipient of any large industry. Just a few small ones every now and then. They are important to our local economy but it is not like a Toyota is going to show up every couple of years. Even the former two directors, the lady director and the retired director, were really not effective in bringing Corbin anything big and that is fact.

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I smell the ole "Outside The City Limits Gang" at it again:

Estep who lives out on Dantley Drive and pays no city Tax's but spends your money, Hammons who lives out at the Coyote Ranch and has no Idea Knox County has took 2 Million Dollars away from the city.

Cannon who lives in Cardinal Hts and pays NO city Tax's but manages your tax dollars that you have to pay??????????????????

Maybe we can hire Buckwheat & Alfalfa to help with the city????

In the Meantime we have Carpenter & Sam's slobbering all over themselves and we think what Industry is coming here?



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What if CTA had left? We would have lost 500 jobs. They now have a new modern facility in the Regional Park. What was Pearson? 500 jobs. Kentucky Cabinet is now in the American Greetings building. Classic Vaults is in the NCR facility. Resuable Plastic Containers is now in Corbin. Northern Contours expanded twice. Pepsi expanded its vending and food business and is now in the Regional Park. Kentucky Flatbed is here and expanded. SEKRI added jobs in the former Wal-Mart facility. DataTrac established a new operation in Williamsburg. NUCSAFE has expanded and bought additional property. Information Collection Systems has two operations in the Tri-County area.

From 2002 to 2006 the unemployment rate in Whitley County dropped to a lower level and Whitley moved into the same category as Laurel County as far as State Economic Development Incentives. Similar to Laurel, Whitley became ineligible for the KREDA incentive which is for counties with very high unemployment rates.


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