Should people that get government checks, other than social security as they paid that in themselves, be drug tested and have to be drug free to receive their check?
I mean welfare, food stamps, WIC, SSI, etc. All the checks they get other than social security.
Absolutely. If they are on drugs they should not be able to draw because that is a big reason as to why they are unemployed. As for WIC that is for the infants and small children and to stop it would be taking food directly out of their mouth. If the parent is on drugs the child should be removed period. Then the parent would have to stay clean for at least several months to get the child back and be subject to drug testing for several years thereafter. If the child is removed, most of the assistance stops.
This is an interesting Topic, the easy answer most people will give is yes, hands down. The other end of this agrument could go deeper. Lot's of folks recieve federal funding as entilements is now the bulk of our national budget.
Just some general thoughts and simple questions we may want to think on in advance.
Would this apply eventually to say school teachers at public universities that take federal funds?
Who would protect the DNA which offers many peices of information on a person?
Is that data base safe?
Who manages this data base?
Can the data base be hacked?
Do you want your life history floating out there in Cyber space?
Would this information be used to profile family members of any of these folks for say future life insurance policies?
Would this info be used to profile for job applications and interviews, if heart disease runs in one's family would this info be used to turn candidates away who may apply for a job that may be say 22 years old, fit as a fiddle but the DNA says stay away from this pesron based on a certain gene that may or may not be dangerous?
My concern is the saftey of this information and the entire story we can now extract from simple drug tests and the many ways the government may and can use this information.
We can now go deep & wide with organizing, shifting, data mining a persons DNA. Let's don't be so quick to turn over DNA and the many things hackers, different private companies can do with that info if they get their hands on it.
Anyone here think the government is going to keep all of this safe???? The original post is certainly sound, the residual saftey and long term useage of this information is the key.
Just some thoughts as this is a great topic and something we will see more and more of in the future.
Good thoughts WM, but, I feel that if you're going to get my tax dollars for free in some sort of entitlement, I have a right to make sure that it is spent in accordance with what it is meant to be spent for, to provide for the basic living needs of that person and/or their children. By them taking that tax supported government entitlement, there should be some rules, and one of those should be to not use illegal drugs, among others.
They can choose NOT to take the entitlement checks of course. That is one answer.
There is no excuse for using illegal drugs, no excuse. So why should we condone those that do use drugs that draw checks. Or get arrested for a felony, or even multiple misdemeanors.
WM, if you fail a drug test, that means you've used illegal drugs, and you're now a criminal. You should be prosecuted, and go to jail or perform community service based on the severity of your crime, and the number of offenses you have. What's wrong with that.
Nice Try----I did not say Illegal Drugs was Ok. The majority of folks tested in the schools, public universities are not positive, some are and should be disiplined, especially anyone taking anytype of Public Asst.
Last time I checked it was Illegal for anyone to do this regardless of Status pertainning to Drugs that are not Legal.
My point was the Saftey of the Information, here is an example: What about the folks on the draw that are drug tested that are OK, do the right thing but just are in a tough spot, but take NO drugs?
Is that information safe? Can that Data Base be hacked? Is that information for sale on the Internet? Can I profile based on this information that should be Private.
I'll ask my question again, for those who are not drug addicts is this information being protected and safe, who's protecting this info?
Lot's of folk are taking our Tax Dollars, take a look at the Federal Budget and you will this is now the Majority of our deployed money, lot's of versions of "The Draw" also.
Anyone taking Illegal Drugs is committing a crime, anyone taking Federal Asst. can be cut off for doing this. THOSE who are not found guilty should NOT have their personel information shopped on the Internet, sold by private companies and or used to profile for any other reason.
Sorry but there are two sides to your post, those that are Guilty and those that are not, ya think the Govt will protect all this information in the future? You can aquire 16 GiG Flash Drives now that are the size of a thimball, have any idea how many names and profiles a person could download to this Flash Drive?????? I can help here, thousands.
Same for a DVD that can be used to download information on, same for your IP address that can be data mined to find out information about you and me both, be carefull when talking about grabbing DNA and the ability of several very good hackers, private organizations to misuse this info.
Search the Internet, see what can be extracted from a persons DNA and the ways it can be used against entire families, especially against Inocent people. What do I think, keep giving your physical blueprints to the Govt free and watch what happens to folks in the near future, the people who will pay will not be the Illegal Drug Users as they will be in Jail, it's the other 85% of folks who commit NO crime.
I must offer my Talents here once again, people like me and I feel I could help in our local area. I'm new to the town and make friends fast, I feel I can help if just given a chance!
Fred Garvin, MP wrote:I must offer my Talents here once again, people like me and I feel I could help in our local area. I'm new to the town and make friends fast, I feel I can help if just given a chance! Are you the same Fred Garvin I loaned $50 to three years in Flagstaff and then you skipped out of town? I remember the sun glasses but not the hat. I knew I would catch up with you. With interest included you now owe me $1,079.13. I'll be watching for you.
I'm new in town and don't recall. I could however pay this money back if only given a chance to apply my talents. I have plans for the surrounding area and feel the need to contribute my skills in some way?
I had a bad run in the 70"s but promise to make up for my lack of judgement, after fleeing Flagstaff I went to rehab and became the man I am today. Well liked, new in town, mobile and ready to lead.
May even file for office in the next election as the people are starting to like me and understand my many talents, Look for "I" Fred Garvin to run for office in the near future. Again, new in town but making friends quickly.
You must visit the Depot, the local "I have talent at running things" hangout for Corbin. The chairman is the one on the end stool at the bar, the one with 4 cell phones in front of him and drinking 3 beers at the same time.
Didn't they make a TV show about you this last month, "Breadking Bad". You look like that guy on TV.
You're darn right these people should be drug tested. Why not. They don't have to receive govt. assistance, if they don't want it, then they don't get tested.
I say test them, and make them pay for the test too.
Drug testing is the way of the future in my opinion. If you are in a position of public trust, or paid with tax dollars, or receive state or federal financial help, then we, the taxpayers, should be able to guarantee that you don't abuse drugs. That's just the way it is.
If you don't like it, quit your state or federal job, quit cashing the govt checks, and so on.
People say "Big Brother" already has too much of a hand in our lives, but we've let that happen by not getting involved and letting things go on unchecked.
I would rather my tax dollars go to building more new jails and prisons, and locking these people up rather than all the treatment crap they talk about. Treat them cold turkey, lock them up. The whitley co. jailer has the best solution. Cigarettes are contraband, and they prosecute you for having it or trying to smuggle it in. What's hard about that. It's against the rules, so if you get some tobacco in, they you broke the rules. SIMPLE!
