SUNDAY SALES, what do you think, honestly !!!!!

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

SUNDAY SALES, what do you think, honestly !!!!!

Date: Jan 11, 2007

I think you may be assuming things to much.How long does it take to get a chain Restaurant in London? Why do they not have Chain Rest now. They already have Sunday Sales Don't They?? Where do you get your numbers 18-24 months???
People have been feeling this way along time not only in Corbin, but also London, and Burside. Good luck in your run!

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

I get my numbers from talking to people that know, and reading various publications and reports from various companies.

I feel that one reason no one has a true chain restaurant is because of the fear of a million dollar plus investment, and then up comes another vote to take the alcohol out. Within the next 24 months, London will have been wet for over 3 years, and selling for almost 2, I believe that is correct. I feel there are already persons around London looking for property for this, and also they ARE NOT going to let it out in the beginning that they are looking for a spot for their restaurant. Would you if you were in their shoes? Even after the closing on the property, it'll be another year or so before they open their doors. By that time, they'll know if the vote is to come or not. Corbin has already had one small group publicly try to have another vote, and went no where. But, to an out of town investor, I'm sure it was a flag that came up and they had to consider.

I believe Burnside is getting a Reno's right about now. Also a pizza and mexican place. Reno's is a chain, and the one in corbin would have done fine with the alcohol sales.

Date: Jan 12, 2007

WOW!!! Corbin also had a Renos, they also have a Pizza Hut {chain isn't it} they also have several Mexican Rest as does London. WHERE IS ALL YOUR BIG NAME CHAINS YOU AND YOUR ALCOHOL GANG HAVE PROMISSED????? DISAPPOINTED!

NIBROC FAN · Senior Member

Yes, a Reno's, it's a chain, not national, but regional. I've eaten in two of them, both served drinks, and had a booming business. Ours died for lack of business, and in my opinion, partly due to not serving alcohol.

Pizza Hut, another chain. Some serve beer. Ours can't. Not enough seating. Will it expand, I doubt it. They only just remodeled, the first time since the 70's I think. Have you ever eaten in a Pizza Hut that did serve beer? Try it, you'll be surprised at the volume of business they generate.

Mexican restaurants, yes, we have two. One serves, one don't. Does all of London's serve. I don't know myself. Why don't you check it out and let us know.

The BIG NAME CHAINS will come. Did you expect them all to build here overnite, the first year. Surely not. If I recall, soon after the ordanance passed, one of the local papers had an article or editorial about calling a few chain restaurants corporate people, asking them if they had plans to come to the area, and the companies replied they did not. This could have been the Herald, but I seem to remember it was one of the local papers. I could be mistaken on this however.

Do you think they would have told them, the reporters, even if they were planning to locate here? I don't think so. I'm sure they , the companies, would say, "Yes, we sure are coming to Corbin/London. Please publish this so all the land owners can jack up the prices on their land by 500% and we can get screwed in aquiring property. Tell the folks that own the smaller tracts of land to sell them to the real estate agents or big business people in your town that buy all the developable property, tell them to sell theirs to them for hardly nothing, so they can resell or lease it to us for millions. We would love to pay too much to buy or lease property."

Disappointed??? Do you mean that no chains are here? Somewhat, meaning I'd love to have Applebee's or Chili's or Friday's here. A Texas Roadhouse, Logan's,or Outback as well.

Give it time.

And yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'll pay the 3%.

Date: Jan 31, 2007

The Vintage House is outstanding. We have taken a number of out of town guests to this restaurant and they have all enjoyed it very much. Tuscany Gardens started out great but they got rid of the person who knew about the restaurant business and the owners don't know how to operate it or treat their employees fairly. I bet Corbin will get some more restaurants. O'Malleys, Buckners, El dorado are drawing good crowds off of I-75 exit 25.

Date: Feb 1, 2007

Not having sunday sales is silly. Just have them sell after 2pm or so on sunday.

Remember the old "blue laws", where you couldn't sell anythign on sunday but certain things.

Date: Feb 2, 2007

I'm still upset with the former commissioners about the sunday sales issue. We, the people of corbin, voted for sales, and sales meant on sunday too. The description on the ballot did not mention not selling on sunday.

The city commission, some of whom are no longer there, made comments about this issue. The former mayor included.

Who were they to take referendum and interpret the way they want to.

Sure, sell after a certain time on sunday afternoon, no one has a problem with that. I don't. Those commissioners and mayor have their weekends on the weekends. My weekends, for now, are sunday and monday. I work all day on saturday.

Anyway, all that aside, I have talked with all the commissioners and the new mayor on this, since the election, and they are as scared to bring it up as the last bunch, as far as reversing the issue of sunday sales.

This is a good example of forgetting who you work for. Maybe next election, we can tell them who they worked for on the way out the door.

Date: Feb 3, 2007

We'll get the sunday sales thing fixed next election.

Then it will be time to start a new one on package store sales.

That will really freak some people out.

And when they hold their rallies, those people that don't live in the city limits can just roll right on out of town. They have no say in the matter.

Date: Feb 5, 2007

WE NEED TO GET THIS THIS 100 SEATING THING OUT ALSO.WITH IT GONE ALONG WITH THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT WE COULD HAVE SOME REALLY COOL MAMA PAPA SHOPS GO IN DOWNTOWN.THIS IS THE ONLY WAY DOWNTOWN CAN SURVIVE.

Date: Mar 2, 2007

My opinion is it doesn't matter to me, whether we have Sunday sales or not. We needed our restaurants to be able to compete with other cities, and now they do. Sunday won't have much impact I don't think.

Date: Mar 2, 2007

In my opinion Mr. Vance has killed any chance of getting Sunday sales. As an advocate for Sunday Sales his behavior clearly portrays the negative side of drinking. As a leader of the wet vote he better get his act together or he will screw up things in a big way. Many people are watching to see if justice is done.

Date: Mar 24, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

We'll get the sunday sales thing fixed next election.

Then it will be time to start a new one on package store sales.

That will really freak some people out.

And when they hold their rallies, those people that don't live in the city limits can just roll right on out of town. They have no say in the matter.

You should be pleased that many of the people who live just outside the city eat in Corbin's restaurants and purchase products in Corbin's shops. Instead of alienating people who live just outside the city you and others should be trying to show us why we should be annexed into the city.

Date: Mar 25, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

We'll get the sunday sales thing fixed next election.

Then it will be time to start a new one on package store sales.

That will really freak some people out.

And when they hold their rallies, those people that don't live in the city limits can just roll right on out of town. They have no say in the matter.

Package store sales will never happen in corbin because if passed the KRS also passes full blown bars.

Date: Mar 26, 2007

I don't feel that JV messed Sunday sales up for our community. That is rediculous to think such a thing as he is but one person of many that has got nabbed driving while drunk. Yes, he may be a big financial holder in our community but by him getting caught has nothing to do with passing Sunday sales.

I would like to see our money stay in our town as a high percentage of us, more than some will admit to with our peers. We will continue to drive a long way to stock up our frig's and that cost us more money in doing so. Face it, a party just isn't a party with coffee and tea served.

Let's get with the program Corbin. Adults are the buyer's, treat us as such. The seller should do as the law says and card us to insure that our minor's aren't getting it, as they too, drive if they want it.

If we want to have a glass of wine for dinner or a cold beer after working hard in the yard or just to drink when we please we should be allowed to and make it convenient to do so as we will all just do the drive as we've always done or have it brought in to us. Better to drink at home than to drink out and drive back to our homes.

Keep our money in Corbin and out of Richmond and Jellico. Keep the prices regularly priced and not pass along to us the 'boot leg' prices.

Date: May 10, 2007

Sunday Sales are dead in Corbin. Jimmy ruined the chances by showing how bad some people are when they drink too much booze.

He has been the one that killed the chances.

Date: May 11, 2007

I think the voters of Corbin are quite clear that they don't want Sunday Sales. In the last election, several candidates for city commission opennly campaigned that they would vote Sunday sales in......and they lost.

The majority of the candidates were on the fence about the issue, which really meant they would vote against it unless there was HUGE swelling of support from the community. Of course that didn't nor will happen, so I think the people of Corbin are satisfied with the current commission and their decision to keep Sunday sales from beginning.

Is this good or bad?? Honestly, it is a tough call in my opinion. Who needs chain restaurants, package stores, bars, etc.., when you can simply go to Knoxville or Lexington, and perhaps London in the future for these things.

Corbin has a proven track record of being VERY conservative on change and growth, and its citizens are not leaving town in droves. So in my opinion, that is the way they like it. Nobody in this town has a vision for the future and it appears as if that is the way everybody likes it. At least at the voting booth. Any growth or sizeable employment achievements in this town in the last 20 years have all been political pork projects from Hal Rogers and to some degree from Frankfort. Look around, where is the personal and corporate growth in this town???

Again, I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, perhaps the people want it this way, and therefore it remains.

Date: May 11, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I think the voters of Corbin are quite clear that they don't want Sunday Sales. In the last election, several candidates for city commission opennly campaigned that they would vote Sunday sales in......and they lost.

The majority of the candidates were on the fence about the issue, which really meant they would vote against it unless there was HUGE swelling of support from the community. Of course that didn't nor will happen, so I think the people of Corbin are satisfied with the current commission and their decision to keep Sunday sales from beginning.

Is this good or bad?? Honestly, it is a tough call in my opinion. Who needs chain restaurants, package stores, bars, etc.., when you can simply go to Knoxville or Lexington, and perhaps London in the future for these things.

Corbin has a proven track record of being VERY conservative on change and growth, and its citizens are not leaving town in droves. So in my opinion, that is the way they like it. Nobody in this town has a vision for the future and it appears as if that is the way everybody likes it. At least at the voting booth. Any growth or sizeable employment achievements in this town in the last 20 years have all been political pork projects from Hal Rogers and to some degree from Frankfort. Look around, where is the personal and corporate growth in this town???

Again, I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, perhaps the people want it this way, and therefore it remains.

This why London is growing and Corbin is in reverse. Thank you Corbinites we love your money here in London it is helping us grow faster,we love seeing you on Sunday at our restaurants. We know that you are to cheep to pay $3.00 for gas to go to Richmond or Knoxville.

Date: May 11, 2007

Corbin is an excellent community but can become much better. London is a very good community as well. Whether they realize it or not, they are important to each other. London gets a lot of tax dollars right off Corbin's front porch. Corbin has had to go it alone when it comes to getting any help from any county governments. That makes you tougher and more self reliant. Corbin has excellent schools, terrific entrepreneurs, and an outstanding Regional Medical Center,

Corbin's library is small and their budget is low compared to the new and beautiful library in Laurel County . They have also put one in South Laurel County. But Corbin's library staff does a great job in servicing people from Knox, Whitley, and Laurel Counties. 40 % of the people they service comes from Knox and Laurel Counties. They serve anyone that comes to their door regardless of their residence.

Corbin's post office is too small and the parking is very poor. But the people who work in our
post office are courteous, customer oriented, and provide good service despite the limitations of their facility.

As a Marine I discovered the Marine Corps got short changed when it came to the equipment we were provided. We were part of the Naval Service and they didn't look after our needs very well. Consequently we had to patch everything up and improvise as best we could. And guess what, it made us tougher and more self reliant. Corbin reminds me of the Marine Corps. Don't sell Corbin short. Corbin's best days are ahead of us. And we hope all of our area succeed in providing our people a better quality of life.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: May 15, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Corbin is an excellent community but can become much better. London is a very good community as well. Whether they realize it or not, they are important to each other. London gets a lot of tax dollars right off Corbin's front porch. Corbin has had to go it alone when it comes to getting any help from any county governments. That makes you tougher and more self reliant. Corbin has excellent schools, terrific entrepreneurs, and an outstanding Regional Medical Center,

Corbin's library is small and their budget is low compared to the new and beautiful library in Laurel County . They have also put one in South Laurel County. But Corbin's library staff does a great job in servicing people from Knox, Whitley, and Laurel Counties. 40 % of the people they service comes from Knox and Laurel Counties. They serve anyone that comes to their door regardless of their residence.

Corbin's post office is too small and the parking is very poor. But the people who work in our
post office are courteous, customer oriented, and provide good service despite the limitations of their facility.

As a Marine I discovered the Marine Corps got short changed when it came to the equipment we were provided. We were part of the Naval Service and they didn't look after our needs very well. Consequently we had to patch everything up and improvise as best we could. And guess what, it made us tougher and more self reliant. Corbin reminds me of the Marine Corps. Don't sell Corbin short. Corbin's best days are ahead of us. And we hope all of our area succeed in providing our people a better quality of life.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

I believe this is a well thought out and good overall view of the state of Corbin. The small Post Office and the small library are 2 areas that could be improved. At the same time, our great school system and good medical facilities monuments to our commity.

I disagree with the comparison of an underfunded military force with the City of Corbin. I would doubt that the Marine Corps overcame adversity simply because they were "short changed" by the Naval Service. I would wager that a big part of overcoming the adversity of low support was because they had strong leaders with a clear vision of their mission. I am sure somebody was setting goals and making accomplishments.

To tie this in with the poster's last comment about "providing our people with a better quality of life," I would like for somebody to define this in realistic goals and take charge. There are a lot good ideas going around town like Sunday Sales, a new post office, downtown development, and better youth sports programs. So, as a community, how can we focus in on some of these items and actively work toward the goals.

For example, there are a number of people actively working to expand our youth sports and facilities and I see the beginnig of progress there. Another example is the Saturday Cruise In. Bruce Carpenter started this about a year ago, and although still a small event, it has grown in popularity over the past few months, and has a lot of potential.

Is there anyone who is going to stand up and focus on a new post office, Sunday Sales, etc... Will the Corbin postmaster stand up and lead the charge on the new post office. Will some local restaurant owners stand up and lead the charge on Sunday Sales.

People love to through around the "quality of life" phrase, however, these needs to be defined and real goals need to be set and assigned to a group for leadership. There is a lot of time for the next election, but the next time you see your commissioner, your mayor, magistrate, etc, ask them what they are working on in government. Don't let them just say they are working on a better quality of life, make them give you specifics of any kind: new baseball fields, more park benches, repaving Main St., whatever.... Then, hold them accountable the next time you see them or at the voting booth. On the flip side, take a goal you want to see accomplished and personally present it to local leaders and try to get some movement on it. I think local leaders are desparate for ideas and projects because there are not many going on.

Date: May 16, 2007

DON'T YOU JUST LOVE THE POLL THEY ARE TAKING ON THIS SITE WHERE YOU CAN VOTE FOR EITHER THE PARTIES. SLICK MOVE BOB JR! LET'S HOPE ITS JUST A MISTAKE. AS A REGISTERED VOTER I WOULD LOVE TO CAST A VOTE FOR BOTH PARTIES,BUT THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS, I WONDER WHY BOB JR SET IT UP THIS WAY WHERE THE REPUBLICANS CAN POLL FOR THE DEMOCRAT AND THE DEMOCRAT CAN CAN POLL FOR A REPUBLICAN?????

Date: May 16, 2007

Hey BT, are you laughing as hard as I am? Yes, that's right whoever you are, you hit it right on the head - it's a RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY - or wait, NO, IT'S A LEFT WING CONSPIRACY. No wait, it's a ploy to .... ?

It seems like a pretty simple poll to me, if you are a Republican vote on one, a Dem vote on the other - CNN, Time magazine or Right Wing Weekly won't be picking this up.

Whoever you are, you have waaaaay to much time on your hands to comment on something this trivial, and you need to get a life.

Also BT, thanks for the Cruise-In page, its AWESOME.

Date: Jul 13, 2007

Jimmy Vance and the Vancettes are on their way out. They just haven't picked a date to close the doors yet. Other restaurants are waiting to bid on the building so they can open a true restaurant. When they fired the chef and manager and much of the staff, that was the beginning of the end.

All it takes for sunday sales is for our commissioners to change the rule. That's how they took it away, and that's how they can bring it back. The previous commission and mayor were shocked that the ballot passed on alcohol, and it caught them by surprise.

It may take the next election to throw another one or two of them out, before we can get it back. I think the expo center and the future business's that will come around with it will dictate they allow sunday sales. After 1pm is fine, remember when one of the commissioners said, "I don't want to be sitting in a restaurant eating after church and have someone next to me drinking a beer", or something similiar to that. He is now no longer a commissioner.

Date: Jul 13, 2007

and the ex-commissioner you speak of is the same guy that would take a case of beer out to the lake on Sunday.

"Do as I say, not as I do"

Date: Jul 25, 2007

I know this has been said, but, we didn't vote to have or not to have sunday sales. We voted for sales.

Those cowards that eliminated the sunday sales, if still on the commission, will hopefully be voted off next time. The people spoke, and they wanted sunday sales.

The former mayor and one commissioner seen the light, maybe the others will too.

Date: Sep 11, 2007

Seems Lexington is now having second thoughts about sunday sales. I'd say it is to help prepare them for the upcoming Equestrian (is that spelled correctly) Games in a few years. Why are they doing it now you may ask, well, IMO, it will take them that long to get it passed, rather than wait till six months before the games begin.

I'd say it'll pass no matter what the religious groups say.

Date: Sep 14, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Those cowards that eliminated the sunday sales, if still on the commission, will hopefully be voted off next time.

You are full of crap and maybe booze. The bar bunch tried that last election. Several bar people ran. They had their butts whipped bad. It was a total embarassment for them. The only one at city hall that was there when the law was passed in 2003 is now the mayor pro-tem since he got the most votes in the last election. He is the commissioner that is trashed on this board quite a lot. That tells you something about this message board. The drinkers did not hurt him in the 2006 election and I doubt that they will hurt him in the next election if he chooses to run.