The Varsity Club

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The Varsity Club

Date: Feb 10, 2007

Who are the officers of the varsity club now. Anyone know.

Date: Feb 13, 2007

WHY DO YOU ASK ?

Date: Feb 13, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

WHY DO YOU ASK ?

Why not? I'd like to know also.

Date: Feb 13, 2007

Ron Bowling is President, and I believe Marlon Sams is VP, and Phil Gregory is Treasurer.

Date: Aug 5, 2007

I'd like to commend the Varsity Club, again, for their support of the new track & field facility they are supporting.

This type of organization is what every community dreams of, but few can bring to fruition.

Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Aug 6, 2007

Ron Bowling is President, and I believe Marlon Sams is VP, and Phil Gregory is Treasurer.

None of three above EVER played a down on the football field at Corbin. All three have been great Helpers & Supporters but do not know who played and who did not.

This makes me wonder who is looking over the nominations and what qualifies them to do so? I have seen folks over the last 5-years that never even started, did not make All-Conf, All-State, nothing but yet ended up in the Hall??

Maybe they will post their Decision Making criteria here so we can see the pecking order and how they came to their decisions?

Date: Aug 6, 2007

ALLOW ME TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS TOWARD THE VARSITY CLUB. IT IS OF MY OPINION YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER, IF YOU WERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO ONE PERSON MAKES ANY DESICISION ON ANY MATTER OF BUSINESS WITHIN OUR CLUB. ALL BUSINESS IS DECIDED BY MOTION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THE OFFICERS ONLY CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE CLUB...BUT BACK TO YOUR CONMMENTS. THE REDHOUND VARSITY CLUB HAS A HALL OF FAME COMMITEE REPRESENTED BY FORMER COACHES, TEACHERS, CLUB MEMBERS AND LOCAL HISTORIANS. AND YES EACH AGE GROUP IS ALSO REPRESENTED. THIS COMMITTE WORKS VERY HARD TO REVIEW ALL NOMINEES TO BE CONSIDERED FOR OUR HALL OF FAME AS THEY BECOME ELEGIBLE AFTER BEING GRADUATED FOR TEN YEARS. FROM OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE BOARD THEN APPROVES OR DISAPROVES THE HALL OF FAME NOMINEES, THIS ELITE GROUP REPRESENTS ALL OUR VARSITY SPORTS PROGRAMS FROM YEARS PAST, NOT JUST FOOTBALL. IN CLOSING PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE VARSITY CLUB IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO SUPPORT THE VARSITY SPORT PROGRAMS AT CORBIN HIGH SCHOOL,NOT JUST A FEW. MARLON PHIL AND MYSELF WORK VERY HARD DAILY TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THIS CLUB WITHOUT PREJIDUCE AND TO CONTINUE THE VISION OF OUR FOUNDING MEMBERS IN 1982 TO SUPPORT THE VARSITY SPORT PROGRAMS OF CORBIN HIGH SCHOOL SO OUR KIDS ,NOT THE HALL FAME ,CAN EXCEED IN EXCELLENCE WHILE REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST. NOW, I SIGNED MY NAME, BUT SORRY, I DIDN'T GET YOURS.

RON BOWLING

Date: Aug 6, 2007

My Name? I am the one who ask you a simple question about what Criteria your using to make your decisions, instead you tried to provide a lecture on how hard you work. You also used the word Elite, which is what we all thought all along.

Your a very long way from the club that started in 1982 and your inductions have included guys that did not even start over the last few years. You keep talking and I'll get more specific and then you will have a real problem justifying some of these folks you have inducted.

it's also very apparent your the very one Ron who is more interested in names than debating and providing Facts to back up your decisions. I'll ask a 2nd time, post your criteria here for making final decisions on the Hall Of Fame, we all want to compare your criteria to the folks that have went in.

My guess is you will babble again like you did before and never post this criteria, you can easily cut & paste that information, maybe the reason ya can not post it is because you DON'T have it?

You did not answer anything, hiding something? Prove me wrong & post the Criteria here.

Don't worry about who is what, post your criteria. Then I'll give you several names.

Date: Aug 7, 2007

It's rather embarassing to see grown men, citizens of Corbin, act in such a manner. Accusing others of "hiding something" when you don't even sign your own name...

Why don't all of you just get myspace?

p.s. Seems as if the unknown author, himself, likes to babble as well, with his jumpy paragraphs covering every single question asked on this message board. Babble, babble, babble!

Date: Aug 7, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

My Name? I am the one who ask you a simple question about what Criteria your using to make your decisions, instead you tried to provide a lecture on how hard you work. You also used the word Elite, which is what we all thought all along.

Your a very long way from the club that started in 1982 and your inductions have included guys that did not even start over the last few years. You keep talking and I'll get more specific and then you will have a real problem justifying some of these folks you have inducted.

it's also very apparent your the very one Ron who is more interested in names than debating and providing Facts to back up your decisions. I'll ask a 2nd time, post your criteria here for making final decisions on the Hall Of Fame, we all want to compare your criteria to the folks that have went in.

My guess is you will babble again like you did before and never post this criteria, you can easily cut & paste that information, maybe the reason ya can not post it is because you DON'T have it?

You did not answer anything, hiding something? Prove me wrong & post the Criteria here.

Don't worry about who is what, post your criteria. Then I'll give you several names.

Ron Bowling, Marlon Sams, and Phil Gregory give their time and talents to help
the youth of Corbin. This poster just likes to criticize. He is probably the same person that uses this site to criticize the city council and tourism commission.

Date: Aug 7, 2007

The Redhound Varsity Club has made a strong effort to remember and honor the history of Redhound sports and help build and provide support for the youngsters today and the ones coming on in the future.

Some special recognition for some of the super stars of Redhound History include:
1. The naming of the football stadium as "Coach Nick Denes Stadium". Coach Denes played with Red Grange at the University of Illinois and came to Corbin and had enormous success. He made the football team into a State Powerhouse and was coach of the Redhounds 1936 Kentucky Basketball Championship team. His painting is also on the wall in the hall of the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse. He is in the Kentucky Sports Hall of Fame and the only coach in Kentucky sports history to win State Championships in three sports. (Basketball, football, and track) He finished his great career with success as Football Coach at Western Kentucky U.
2. Ted Meadors was one of Corbin and Centre College's all time great players, He was Corbin's first All American. He coached Corbin's undefeated team in 1939. He was called by writer Grantland Rice the best college football pound for pound in America. His painting is at the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse.
3. Roy Kidd was a great Corbin 3 sports star, All American at EKU, coach of a high school state championship team, coach of two national championships at EKU, and is in the College Football Hall of Fame. Corbin named a street in his honor and his portrait is at the Fieldhouse.
4. The Selvy brothers were one of Corbin's two most special families The Varsity Club honored them three years ago with a celebration. Frank Selvy was named one of the top 50 basketball players in the history of college basketball.
He was All American at Furman U., led the nation in scoring, and had a very good ten year career in the NBA. His brothers, Curt, Edd, Marvin, David, and Curley were also great Redhound players and went on to play in College. Their portrait is at the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse.
5. The Bird brothers were the second special family in Redhound history. Jerry, Calvin, Billy, and Roger broke many records, and Jerry's son Steve also achieved college and professional sports honors. All five of the Birds were high school All Americans. Jerry was all SEC and played for the Knicks, and Roger had a fine career with the Raiders in the NFL. The five Birds are in paintings in the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse.
6. Coach Harry Taylor is Corbin's all time winningest basketball coach and was a three sports star for Corbin. The basketball court in the Edward's Gym will be named in his honor this fall. His teams won six straight Regional Championships in the 1947-1952 period. His painting will be hung on the wall at the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse.
7. Coach Ossie Burch was one of our area's heroes of World War II when he served in Merrill's Mauraders. He is mentioned several times in the book that was made into a movie about this famed military group. Later Colonel Burch was the Commanding Officer of the National Guard unit in Barbourville. He coached the Redhounds to the number 2 two ranked team in 1949 when there were no class system in Kentucky Football. The Ossie Burch Fieldhouse is named in his honor, and some of his awards are on display in the lobby. His painting is in the Fieldhouse.

It is very tough to be correct in every instance on selecting members of the Hall of Fame. I served on that selection committee for about three years. While the Varsity Club may not be perfect, I don't know of any other community in Kentucky whose young people have had such wonderful support as ours in Corbin. I wish the Club best wishes as it takes on the commitment to raise funds for the track.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: Aug 7, 2007

It is very tough to be correct in every instance on selecting members of the Hall of Fame. I served on that selection committee for about three years.

The above is the Last two sentences from Bob Terrells History lesson, I do however agree with every single point made about each individual. Maybe the Greatest group ever to pass through the Hall of Fame here in Corbin, no question.

Unfortunatley the same achievements made today are not what they were with many of the first HOF Clases, that was bound to happen. This makes it even more important to clarify the Criteria used when making the final selections and make sure the Varsity Club members who pay dues, support the program along with the General Public. When people know the pecking order and food chain less questions emerge after the fact.

Of all people Mr Terrell should know that being a Top Company Executive for 40 Years. Many of us helped start the Varsity Club back in 1981 and it came to Fruition in the summer of 1982. Our Jobs were actually fairly easy as we had former NFL, NBA and folks that had achieved National Honors to pick from.

Everyone did know however that the day would come that we would have to dot the I's and cross the T's as the Bird Brothers, Selvy's and other Superstars were already in. Many times it was discussed to make sure the Committee did not stray into SUBJECTIVE waters and their decisions perplexing to the Public.

At this point written Criteria to follow was proposed but no one followed up unfortunatlety, it's not a Bad thing to ask questions, the Varsity Club Deeds have not been diminished what so ever, it's very fair to ask what Criteria is being used and who the deciding Committee is in 2007?

No question Sams, Bowling & Gregory give their time, but it's also fair to the guys who sweated on the Football Field, Basketball Court, Baseball Field, Tennis, Track Ect to have a fair shot and let the Criteria decide who gets in, not Subjective opinions!

Sorry Guys, this debate is not about the Good deeds of the Varsity Club, everyone is on the same page. The debate here is the CRITERIA to make decisions that your dodgeing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Aug 7, 2007

I accept your comments and suggestions. No person, especially me, or organization is perfect.

Having certain standards can be used. One reason, however, there will be a need to put additional Redhounds in the Hall of Fame is because we have so many more sports now than in the past. Corbin has had some outstanding tennis, baseball, softball, soccer, golf, track, and volley ball players. These Redhounds who excel in statewide competition also need to be considered.

I believe it is important to share ideas and listen to each other. There is always room for improvement.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: Aug 7, 2007

Bob

Agreed, a voice of reason. Now I'll be quite.

Date: Aug 8, 2007

Please don't be quiet. The easiest system in government or business is a dictatorship. The toughest, but the best, is a system of participation in which all the options are considered and there is a recognition that we can do better.

I hope my son's website will continue to create discussion and debate about the best ways to improve our area.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: Aug 8, 2007

the varsity is a huge asset to our kids and the community.one that is not a member of record should not complain about the issues the club is involved in.my option is the club is very involved in the kids of our community and appears to be well managed in thier projects.if you dont agree pay your dues and attend thier meetings if not put a sock in it .

Date: Aug 11, 2007

The Varsity Club's mission and purpose is not in question here. It's a fine organization. Great people trying to further the Corbin tradition for the future generations.

What's at issue here is the criteria used and the train of thought as to the Hall of Fame nominations. We don't know what they are specifically. We want to know, and have a right to know. By not being forthcoming with this type of info, you create an atmosphere of hiding something, many times associated with a good-ol-boys mentality.

The Varsity Club, while an independent entity, should consider that when you solicit funds and donations from the general public, and you hold fundraisers or events that bring in monies for not only that event, but for the future events (like the Pigskin or Cumb Falls Invit. B-Ball Tourney) the general public now has a stake in the issue. It would seem that you want them to spend their money with you to do as you please, but not give them the privledge of asking how and what that money is used for, in the sense it helps with the operating expenses and future projects for the club. Otherwise, you should only hit up your members for funds. You're selling shirts and hats at nibroc. Good idea. But, you're asking the general public to donate to you through this type of event. That gives us the right to know what is going on. You use corbin school system facilities, so, again, it gives the general public the right to know what the club is doing, and how it operates. The schools are tax dollar supported, so, the tax payers have a right to know. That sounds a little extreme, but, overall, it's the way it is.

Mr. Terrells seven examples are exactly what type of persons or groups need to be in the HOF. But, so many were put in so quickly in the first 5 years or so, you've run out of valid candidates when you compare them with those seven. Maybe you could ask Mr. Terrell to be a sort of mentor for your club, as he knows how to maintain integrity and honesty within a public organization. Not to run anything, but to give advice base on his years of experience in dealing with major corporations and public factions.

Many of my out of town friends has come into town for various reasons over the years, and has attended events sponsored by the Varsity Club. They were totally impressed. Not only by the professional way the events were held, but by the mere presence of the organization in our size town. Many larger towns and cities does not have a group like this that works for the community and school system. Several have went home and tried to start a similiar group.

Please take the questions and comments and requests as they were meant to be, legitimate and constructive. You'll find you'll receive 100% more support when you do than when you don't. If you answer one persons questions, that person will likely tell 10 more of your answers, and you could get more support and new members from answering one question than you would any membership drive.

You do an excellent job, and we all support you totally. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for listening.

Date: Aug 12, 2007

A member of the club said Mr. Terrel chose to resign from this club.

Date: Aug 12, 2007

Dear Friends,
I did not resign from the Club. I resigned from the Board. I served on the board part of the 1980's when we lived in Michigan, and 1990's when we lived in Oklahoma, and for ten years since I came back home in December, 1997.
I enjoyed my work on behalf of the Varsity Club and have many friends who have been faithful and dedicated to that organization. Many of them don't live in Corbin, but without them we would not have succeeded on the Ossie Burch Fieldhouse. Many of my buddies from high school and the Varsity Club are deceased.

I am a lifetime member of the Redhound Varsity Club, and I don't think that resigning from the Board nullifies my membership. At age 74 I heard many comments that those of us who don't live in Corbin should not be on any boards in the city, and I thought it was a good time to readjust some of my commitments. My wife and I will support Corbin High School in every possible way including the project to improve the Track. Wherever we live. I will always be a Redhound. Nobody can ever change that.

Bob Terrell, Sr.

Date: Aug 13, 2007

For the poster several above, it's obvious you don't know Ron, Marlon, or Phil at all. They are three of many dedicated people that want to see corbin suceed and grow, and to help our schools flourish.

You shouldn't question their integrity and intentions unless you are willing to let us question yours. That said, you post has no merit.

Date: Aug 14, 2007

Afraid I do know these guys, Intentions have to translate into actions. How would anyone know what someone's Intentions are?

How about Intending to come up with the Criteria here for the HOF Inductee's we all have been asking for, at that point we can have the Integrity disscussion later.

As usual Sam's & Bowling will side step any plan or technical conversation on actual improvements but are most willing to argue an whine. Phil Gregory is an elected official by the people of the city and certainly deserves some credit.

The other two elected themselves and can not communicate and or clearly create, explain or come up with any type of improvements. The people working at city hall ar laughing at these two.

Date: Aug 14, 2007

The Varsity Club does some good things. It is a great deal different, however, than it used to be when there was a spirit of teamwork and no clique that ran it. Bill Hoover, Mel Chandler, Zeke, Tom Blair, Benny Hinkle, and some of the other early founders worked without regard to having control or being a political organization. That is the difference. Older members are treated like old fossils by the new breed. The main goal of the Varsity Club is to help our young people and our school programs. It is not to control power.

Date: Aug 14, 2007

The officers on the Varsity club are nominated by the board of directors that serve the club.The nominees if THEY accept are voted on by the board during the annual meeting.So how can you say these two elected theirselves? Both were elected by board to serve,and serve they have !
Now as for the hof. If you would like to discuss the hof process, I was informed by a lifetime member he would be happy to ansure any question you may have and explain how this process works.Please provide your name,email or make contact with one of our officers to schedule a meeting and maybe we can put this to rest.

Date: Aug 14, 2007

Tell you what last poster.

Why don't you interview that lifetime member, and write everything down he/she says, and be very specific. Both of you proofread it, and then bring it to this forum and write it out. No matter how long, we would all truly love to read it. It may quite this whole issue down.

Post yours or their names if you wish, but I'll take it as is if you post it. I'll know if it's authentic by some of the requirements that will be in there.

Thats a great idea.

We'll all be waiting.

Date: Aug 15, 2007

The officers on the Varsity club are nominated by the board of directors that serve the club.The nominees if THEY accept are voted on by the board during the annual meeting.So how can you say these two elected theirselves? Both were elected by board to serve,and serve they have !
Now as for the hof. If you would like to discuss the hof process, I was informed by a lifetime member he would be happy to ansure any question you may have and explain how this process works.Please provide your name,email or make contact with one of our officers to schedule a meeting and maybe we can put this to rest.

Then do what the Last Poster said, Interview this Lifelong member, write down all the details of how they came up with their decisions and post it here. After that you and the Lifelong member come up with that Criteria to Improve the Current Process that every person on this thread has asked for.

We all waiting!

Date: Aug 15, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

The officers on the Varsity club are nominated by the board of directors that serve the club.The nominees if THEY accept are voted on by the board during the annual meeting.So how can you say these two elected theirselves? Both were elected by board to serve,and serve they have !
Now as for the hof. If you would like to discuss the hof process, I was informed by a lifetime member he would be happy to ansure any question you may have and explain how this process works.Please provide your name,email or make contact with one of our officers to schedule a meeting and maybe we can put this to rest.

Then do what the Last Poster said, Interview this Lifelong member, write down all the details of how they came up with their decisions and post it here. After that you and the Lifelong member come up with that Criteria to Improve the Current Process that every person on this thread has asked for.

We all waiting!

GET A LIFE!!!