"I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 5, 2007

RE: "I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 5, 2007

RE:I'm running the show here! Estep says to Corbin citizens.

poneal · Senior Member

"I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

RE: "I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

Poneal you are absolutely right in your assessment of this board. It is nothing more than a small collection of pathetic losers who no one really likes much in real life, or they no longer have any influence over anything because people are tired of them and their negative attitude toward Corbin, so they come here to complain over and over again about McBurney, Estep, Carpenter and anyone else they can think of.

The Harley deal is a good example. Puny incentives made no difference in that case. But posters here continue to slam our city leaders for not offering them. They are not going to let the facts get in the way of a chance to blast Carpenter again. That seems to be all that goes on here.

There are many good things happening in Corbin. You don't have to look hard to see that. I think it's people that constantly run our town down on this board and seem to hate Corbin that are the problem. Makes you wonder why they don't move to someplace that suits them a little better.

wkugirl · Senior Member

"I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

RE: "I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

wkugirl wrote:

But I am tired of reading in the newspaper about London getting this, and London getting that, and they have already had 60 ribbon cuttings this year with more scheduled.

I agree WKUGIRL. The easiest way to accept defeat is to rationalize that what you were trying to accomplish wasn't really that important. You convince yourself that it isn't important for us to have a sense of urgency and a tough competitive spirit because things will just fall into place. In the real world it doesn't happen that way.

It is easy for those who are satisfied with the status quo to cast rocks at those of us who want to improve and compete. To those who accept poor performance we are just a few trouble makers who run down the city. Bull Frogs!

There is a large number of us who believe Corbin can do better. There are many of us who believe Corbin should battle for its share of the Knox County Occupational Taxes. There are many of us who believe our Economic Development people should keep a close relationship with our local businesses to try to help them when they go through problems that may cause them to move or close down. There are a huge number of us who were deeply embarrassed when our Chamber invited several Republican candidates to give partisan political speeches at monthly meetings and were so blind as to snub the Democratic candidate for Governor who was predicted to win in a landside. It should have not been a surprise when he did win in a landslide.

I don't believe any candidate for Governor, Democrat or Republican, should be snubbed by any Chamber of Commerce during an election. The excuse that the Corbin Chamber is not a City of Corbin led or funded operation is true, but it carries the name Corbin Chamber of Commerce and when they snub a candidate for Governor it is a bad reflection on all of us who love Corbin.

To those of you who are so clueless as to think there are just a few of us who raise our concern about losing jobs, get out and take a little time to smell the roses. There is a bit of a stink in the air.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

poneal wrote:

Can anyone else be quite so colorful? Red? Smokey? Junior?

I can't tell if the posts about these people are in jest or not. I do not know Red or Smokey but I do know Junior. He is a fine person and has great computer skills. He would make a fine addition to any board.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

RE: "I\'m running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

poneal · Senior Member

"I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

RE: "I'm running the show here!" Estep says to Corbin citizens.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

London grows because it wants to. Corbin stifles because it wants to.

London has no qualms about who is on their committees, or where they live. They know that if people are interested enough to get involved, let them get involved.

That's why there's such a tight knit circle on our boards and committees. A small group wants to maintain control. And, they will. Until someone knocks them out of the saddle.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

It sounds like you are still hung up on the outside of the city issue. You might should consider moving into the city if you want to have a voice on a committee. Then you could even run for city office and the Corbin voters could decide if your ideas are what they really want.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
It sounds like you are still hung up on the outside of the city issue. You might should consider moving into the city if you want to have a voice on a committee. Then you could even run for city office and the Corbin voters could decide if your ideas are what they really want.

You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

You are wrong. There has never been that attitude in London.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

You're partially right. They don't have to get a glimpse of this board, just sit down and talk with our city leaders and economic development people.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.
I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

As a former Business man I have always believed you can never improve unless you recognize the things you must do better. An athlete can't improve if he or she believes they are the best they can be.

Laurel County/London have done well but the arrogance factor is catching up on them. Many people in Laurel County are not happy about things. Their high school academics are not near as good as Corbin's schools. Their high schools are so large that many kids become lost in the shuffle. They have more drug problems with young people.

If I was considering establishing a business in a community I would want to go to one in which the leaders were not complacent and where there are open communications in the community to discuss the issues.

A healthy community environment is one in which there is curiosity, ambition to improve, good education, and an atmosphere in which the entrepreneural spirit is alive.

Corbin's problems are exacerbated by the complexity of operating on the edge of three counties. Corbin must become more innovative and creative in the work they do on Economic Development. They need to go back to working like they did when they helped CTA survive their disastrous accident. That was a lesson in how to do things right. How soon some people forget. Corbin can become a great economic community with a fine quality of life, but instead of finding ways to say no they need to find ways to say yes.

There is some risk to doing anything that is truly worthwhild and long lasting.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.
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I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

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This last person is funny.

Company executives don't look at message boards to pick their cities - every city has several message boards, including a pretty trashy one in London - they look at what the area has to offer and talk to the city and county government people and the industrial development people. If they are sold properly, they will come. If they are not sold, they won't. Its that simple.

Look at your city's sales people. Would they ever be hired into sales and management positions by anyone else? Microsoft? Toyota corporate? IBM? General Motors? Any manufacturer? Would the people they are trying to sell on coming to Corbin ever consider hiring them? Its no different than selling anything else - million dollar software deals, real estate, construction, wholesale consumer products, etc.

You can either go with the rookies to sell your community who have basically never sold anything in their lives, not even to small businesses - or you can go with the A team by hiring people with business and sales experience, and who have experience working with companies both large and small. Again, its common sense business. And your not selling used cars or mens shoes, you're selling a community with millions of dollars and thousands of jobs potentially at stake.

Its the city's choice whether they go with the A team or the rookie team, and whether they succeed or fail.

Also, tell us how London is getting "rooked" by Laurel county. You make a strange comment but don't back it up with any facts or substance.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.
I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

As a former Business man I have always believed you can never improve unless you recognize the things you must do better. An athlete can't improve if he or she believes they are the best they can be.

Laurel County/London have done well but the arrogance factor is catching up on them. Many people in Laurel County are not happy about things. Their high school academics are not near as good as Corbin's schools. Their high schools are so large that many kids become lost in the shuffle. They have more drug problems with young people.

If I was considering establishing a business in a community I would want to go to one in which the leaders were not complacent and where there are open communications in the community to discuss the issues.

A healthy community environment is one in which there is curiosity, ambition to improve, good education, and an atmosphere in which the entrepreneural spirit is alive.

Corbin's problems are exacerbated by the complexity of operating on the edge of three counties. Corbin must become more innovative and creative in the work they do on Economic Development. They need to go back to working like they did when they helped CTA survive their disastrous accident. That was a lesson in how to do things right. How soon some people forget. Corbin can become a great economic community with a fine quality of life, but instead of finding ways to say no they need to find ways to say yes.

There is some risk to doing anything that is truly worthwhile and long lasting.

AND THERE IS GREATER RISK IN DOING NOTHING!

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You see, you'll never see that type of arrogant attitude in London. They don't ask where you live, where you work, or even your political party. They actually thank you for getting involved.

In corbin, first, you have to be in the inner circle of the mayor, commissioners, or Terry Forcht. Then, once you've made that cut, they have to decide if you'll go along, and not be a 'stick in the muc", and just sit back and agree with them. If you pass that test, then they'll talk to you about it, see how you answer their questions, and if you pass that one, they'lll put your name on the list for consideration. Then, they'll pass the list around privately, and call each other and discuss it. Once the entire network has passed judgement, then, they'll make their decisions. Sometimes, it's only for one person. Other times, it's for several.

Don't think it works that way, you're wrong. How do I know, 'been there, done that.'

Step back and look at all the boards and committees, and you'll be able to connect the dots just like I described above.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this post. Right now London is being rooked by Laurel County and we are getting tired of it. It is clear that the poster has no real knowledge of London but that is OK with me. This message board is the best advertising that London has going for it. Keep it up. No industry would ever go to Corbin if their executives get a glimpse of the crap on this message board. Please keep it up. We need the economic growth up here.

This last person is funny.

Company executives don't look at message boards to pick their cities - every city has several message boards, including a pretty trashy one in London - they look at what the area has to offer and talk to the city and county government people and the industrial development people. If they are sold properly, they will come. If they are not sold, they won't. Its that simple.

Look at your city's sales people. Would they ever be hired into sales and management positions by anyone else? Microsoft? Toyota corporate? IBM? General Motors? Any manufacturer? Would the people they are trying to sell on coming to Corbin ever consider hiring them? Its no different than selling anything else - million dollar software deals, real estate, construction, wholesale consumer products, etc.

You can either go with the rookies to sell your community who have basically never sold anything in their lives, not even to small businesses - or you can go with the A team by hiring people with business and sales experience, and who have experience working with companies both large and small. Again, its common sense business. And your not selling used cars or mens shoes, you're selling a community with millions of dollars and thousands of jobs potentially at stake.

Its the city's choice whether they go with the A team or the rookie team, and whether they succeed or fail.

Also, tell us how London is getting "rooked" by Laurel county. You make a strange comment but don't back it up with any facts or substance.

Great comments.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

With the direction we're heading in now, Corbin will end up a bedroom community for people that work elsewhere, much like Berea, Richmond, Nicholasville, Lawrenceburg, Paris and others were for Lexington (that is beginning to change somewhat now, those smaller cities are now getting the jobs to keep people there with things like incentives and lower tax rates than lexington). Knoxville is the same way. People move out to live, but work in the city.

Our school system is tops, and will continue to be, as when people move here to live, but work elsewherer, the school tax base increases with homes and such. The cities development will flounder, but, residential areas will flourish.

Until we get people in our city leadership with some real business experience, we'll continue to remain level or decline. And we need an Economic Development group that knows what it means to recruit business and industry, not hire rock bands and put on political luncheons.

Do this, where were we 5 and 10 years ago, and where are we now. The only positive thing that has happened, economically, is we passed the alcohol vote, and have drawn in some good business's and it has helped our economy take a different turn. WE can't use the Expo Center as a good or bad thing yet, as we won't know until it is finished.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Maybe Corbin should be somewhat of a bedroom community for all of the old heads that fled Corbin after high school and have now returned to tell of how they played ball in their younger days.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe Corbin should be somewhat of a bedroom community for all of the old heads that fled Corbin after high school and have now returned to tell of how they played ball in their younger days.

Mr. Carpenter moved back to Corbin at least 20 months back, and just because he stopped playing football and moved away after high school doesn't mean he can't talk of his Corbin High School accomplishments, which were outstanding for the era he played in.

While the majority of our local kids leave for better job opportunities after high school as mine have, I hope that if they do return to Corbin one day we have a warmer welcome home for them than the above poster.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Until we get people in our city leadership with some real business experience, we'll continue to remain level or decline. And we need an Economic Development group that knows what it means to recruit business and industry, not hire rock bands and put on political luncheons.

Typical. You seem to think government is the answer to everything. Such a welfare mentality.

For the most part, private individuals working in a free market economy are the ones that make things go. To lay all the blame or credit for things at the feet of our mayor or economic development director shows you are really simpleminded.

Date: Dec 9, 2007

Typical. You seem to think government is the answer to everything. Such a welfare mentality.

For the most part, private individuals working in a free market economy are the ones that make things go. To lay all the blame or credit for things at the feet of our mayor or economic development director shows you are really simpleminded.

Spoken like a true George Bush, Ernie Fletcher republician.

The mayor and Bruce sure take credit when something good (in their opinion it's good) happens, so, they better darn well be ready to take the blame when something bad happens too.

Same goes for these committees. They can all say "no" very easily and have a wait and see attitude, like Tipton and Estep. That's easy to do. Make no decisions, take no chances, and things will stay just the way they are. Isn't that what they wanted.